Otosclerosis treatment options

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Hi, I was wondering if any of you could comment on treatment for Otosclerosis w/ conductive hearing loss other than a stapedectomy surgery. Are there any other options to regain hearing? Thanks in advance N

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N wrote: > Hi, > I was wondering if any of you could comment on treatment for > Otosclerosis w/ conductive hearing loss other than a stapedectomy > surgery. Are there any other options to regain hearing? > Thanks in advance > N

I think the only other treatment option, which I would use myself, is use of hearing aids. All the oto sufferer needs is more sound and there is never any overpowering of sound with the disease limiting how much sound can get in. The surgery is, apparently, not too bad with the % of problems being <10%, according to Medscape citations. Ardway

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I had a stapedectomy in 1965 and it has worked well ever since. However there may be a problem now but 40 yrs is pretty good. Harry

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Nerve deafness cured?

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My hb. was diagnosed with nerve deafness over 14 years ago. It took a couple years till he was willing to wear a hearing aid. Today he had an appt. with the ear doctor and also had a hearing test. He has NO hearing problem and does not need the hearing aid.  His problem was diagnosed through the years by 2 different ear specialists. The hearing tests were done by 2 different audiologists.  We were under the impression that the hearing loss was permanent.  I would appreciate your thoughts on this. Joan

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Testing twice is three times as good as testing once. Bill M <je…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:23016-41E2DA4E-310@storefull-3313.bay.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My hb. was diagnosed with nerve deafness over 14 years ago. It took a > couple years till

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Nerve (sensorineural) hearing loss is permanent.  If his hearing became restored, the loss had NOT been from nerve damage.  If two audiologists had diagnosed sensorineural loss, either BOTH were wrong, or he still has the loss. There is a possibility that he had both a sensorineural loss and a conductive loss, and that the conductive part of the loss became cured — thereby lessening or eliminating his need for aids. If he no longer needs hearing aids, great!  However, if his original loss was conductive (or worse, like a growth in the brain!) and the audiologists misdiagnosed nerve damage and sold him hearing aids instead of sending him to a medical doctor, that was serious malpractice.

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My audiogram

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I finally asked my ENT’s office for my audiogram and scanned it. (I’m the 43-year-old who doesn’t feel like I need hearing aids to function.) The right ear is worse because at the time there was fluid in the middle ear. It’s better now. I’m not sure what AU, AS, and AD mean. They’re not used consistently enough for me to quite figure out. (One seems to mean left in one place and right in another.) I’m still at a loss as to what caused the hearing loss, but oh well . . . <http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/audiogram.jpg> — http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/

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First off, AU is binaural, AD is right, and AS is left. Second, your loss shows a sensorineural loss, not conductive or mixed and therefore is not the result of fluid, sorry this one is permanent. I think you are the one I came down on pretty hard before.  My advice is to go back and read what I wrote then, I am sticking to it, you are a hearing aid canidate, whether you want to admit it or not.  Without a doubt I have complete faith that you would benefit from binaural hearing aids.  When the word list were read to you for discrimination, they were read at 75 and 70 dBHL in order for you to get 100%, normal conversation is about 45 dBHL. Obviously if you are still thinking about this, then you know that it is a problem, do something about it. Signed, Your "tough love" audiologist In article <pSDdd.4177$ta5.1…@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, del…@mindspring.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I finally asked my ENT’s office for my audiogram and scanned it. (I’m > the 43-year-old who doesn’t feel like I need hearing aids to function.) > The right ear is worse because at the time there was fluid in the middle > ear. It’s better now. > I’m not sure what AU, AS, and AD mean. They’re not used consistently > enough for me to quite figure out. (One seems to mean left in one place > and right in another.) > I’m still at a loss as to what caused the hearing loss, but oh well . . . > <http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/audiogram.jpg>

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In article <MPG.1be0d758fd01cc33989…@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>,  Susan <susanbl…@snet.net> wrote: > First off, AU is binaural, AD is right, and AS is left.

Thanks. That helps. I could not find that explained anywhere. > Second, your loss shows a sensorineural loss, not conductive or mixed > and therefore is not the result of fluid, sorry this one is permanent.

Part of the loss in the right ear was conductive; I had surgery, and, yes, it is now better, probably more like the left. You’ll note it does say at the bottom there is (was) conductive loss. > I think you are the one I came down on pretty hard before.  My advice is > to go back and read what I wrote then, I am sticking to it, you are a > hearing aid canidate, whether you want to admit it or not.  Without a > doubt I have complete faith that you would benefit from binaural hearing > aids.  When the word list were read to you for discrimination, they were > read at 75 and 70 dBHL in order for you to get 100%, normal conversation > is about 45 dBHL.

I hear normal conversation quite well, however. Like I’ve posted before, I don’t hear other people’s private conversations clearly from 30 feet away, but I hear it under normal circumstances and even in crowded restaurants. > Obviously if you are still thinking about this, then you know that it is > a problem, do something about it.

Well, my ex-roommate is an ENT, and she’d asked to see the audiogram, so I finally asked the ENT’s office to send it to me so I could send it to her. Just thought I’d post it. I’m not sure why you’d come down hard on anyone based on numbers. I never noticed a hearing loss ’til I got fluid in my right ear and had this test, nor does anyone else notice I have one (now that the fluid’s been cleared out). When I told my geriatric nurse specialist friend, she was quite surprised; obviously, she deals with the hard of hearing (including her own husband). I’ve been to an ENT and an audiologist; he explained quite clearly the "permanent and progressive" aspect, and I do get it. He also gets that after he did the surgery, my hearing improved. You wouldn’t hear too well with a middle ear full of fluid, either. When I woke up in recovery and took the cotton he’d left in my ear, there was a HUGE difference. I also think that you should take into account a person’s functionality before asking them to make a huge investment. Yes, I could benefit if I were a very social person or if I had certain kinds of jobs, etc. But right now I can hear quite well for what I need. As I said before, I’ll be happy to invest when I get to the point where I feel uncomfortable or that I am missing things I shouldn’t or when people obviously are frustrated with me. I’m sure when I do get hearing aids I’ll realise that music sounds very different. As it is, most people ask me to repeat myself because I’m softspoken. I do want to follow others’ experiences because I do know someday I will need hearing aids, so that’s why I’m here. — http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/

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> Part of the loss in the right ear was conductive; I had surgery, and, > yes, it is now better, probably more like the left. You’ll note it does > say at the bottom there is (was) conductive loss.

The bottom was unreadable, sorry, but the truth to deal with NOW is that the hearing loss is sensorineural and unimprovable. As for the rest of it, it is bullshit, sorry plain and simple.  How can you say that " Yes, I could benefit if I were a very social person or if I had certain kinds of jobs, etc. But right now I can hear quite well FOR WHAT I NEED. As I said before, I’ll be happy to invest when I get to the point where I feel uncomfortable or that I am missing things I shouldn’t or when people obviously are frustrated with me. I’m sure when I do get hearing aids I’ll realise that music sounds very different." I would not be a good audiologist if I let people get away with that cliche speech, how could anyone not be worth a better standard of life? no matter what that lifestyle involves. PS- YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE MISSING WHEN YOU CAN’T HEAR BECAUSE YOU CAN’T HEAR WHAT YOU ARE MISSING.

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In article <MPG.1be109c459e732c6989…@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>,  Susan <susanbl…@snet.net> wrote: > I would not be a good audiologist if I let people get away with that > cliche speech, how could anyone not be worth a better standard of life? > no matter what that lifestyle involves.

You would not be a very good audiologist if you don’t listen to your patients and their psychological and emotional needs, either. > As for the rest of it, it is bullshit, sorry plain and simple.

Sorry, but you’re not me, so you can’t possibly know this. And the audiologist I went to, who actually interacted with me, she wasn’t nearly as sure as you are that I need hearing aids. Her recommendation was for a second test after the fluid was resolved because it was the primary impairment. >  How can > you say that " Yes, I could benefit if I > were a very social person or if I had certain kinds of jobs, etc. But > right now I can hear quite well FOR WHAT I NEED. As I said before, I’ll > be happy to invest when I get to the point where I feel uncomfortable or > that I am missing things I shouldn’t or when people obviously are > frustrated with me. I’m sure when I do get hearing aids I’ll realise > that music sounds very different."

So you’re saying I should spend thousands of dollars so I can hear every word of private conversations people 30+ feet away at the lakefront are having over the crash of the waves, as opposed to some and even most of it? WHY? Why do I need to hear other people’s conversations? > I would not be a good audiologist if I let people get away with that > cliche speech, how could anyone not be worth a better standard of life? > no matter what that lifestyle involves.

Again, tell me how hearing this kind of thing improves my "standard of life"? > PS- YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE MISSING WHEN YOU CAN’T HEAR BECAUSE YOU > CAN’T HEAR WHAT YOU ARE MISSING.

Well, since I never noticed a decline, since I play things at EXACTLY the same volume as I always have, since no one else noticed a decline, and since I’ve never done anything obvious that would damage my hearing, and since my friend and I went through an exercise where we compared how we hear things, and we came out the same, I’m not sure that I’m missing as much as you seem to think. Why do you have so much hostility? — http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/

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Susan <susanbl…@snet.net> wrote in message <news:MPG.1be109c459e732c69896f1@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>… > I would not be a good audiologist if I let people get away with that > cliche speech, how could anyone not be worth a better standard of life? > no matter what that lifestyle involves. > PS- YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE MISSING WHEN YOU CAN’T HEAR BECAUSE YOU > CAN’T HEAR WHAT YOU ARE MISSING.

 Susan, you are dead on in your assessment. This is some of the worse denial I have ever heard when it comes to hearing loss. The original poster claims, "I hear normal conversation quite well, however. Like I’ve posted before, I don’t hear other people’s private conversations clearly from 30 feet away, but I hear it under normal circumstances and even in crowded restaurants." I agree with Susan, BS! Not with that audiogram you don’t. I’ll only disagree with Susan on one point…. This person IS NOT a candidate for hearing aids. Sure, audiometrically she’s a candidate but you’re not fitting the audiogram. You’d be fitting a person that is in deep denial and she would never be successful. So, while I agree that based on the audiogram alone, she would benefit from a binaural fitting, her denial will prevent her from every being successful. Montag Audiologist

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I concede to your point and her ignorance. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ll only disagree with Susan on one point…. This person IS NOT a > candidate for hearing aids. Sure, audiometrically she’s a candidate > but you’re not fitting the audiogram. You’d be fitting a person that > is in deep denial and she would never be successful. So, while I agree > that based on the audiogram alone, she would benefit from a binaural > fitting, her denial will prevent her from every being successful. > Montag > Audiologist

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I wouldn’t have expected you to end up calling names???…GG "Susan" <susanbl…@snet.net> wrote in message

news:MPG.1be1bd3774bd56f49896f2@news.snet.sbcglobal.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I concede to your point and her ignorance. >> I’ll only disagree with Susan on one point…. This person IS NOT a >> candidate for hearing aids. Sure, audiometrically she’s a candidate >> but you’re not fitting the audiogram. You’d be fitting a person that >> is in deep denial and she would never be successful. So, while I agree >> that based on the audiogram alone, she would benefit from a binaural >> fitting, her denial will prevent her from every being successful. >> Montag >> Audiologist

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"Diane L. Schirf" <del…@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:%OMdd.4501$ta5.2189@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <MPG.1be109c459e732c6989…@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>, > Susan <susanbl…@snet.net> wrote: >> I would not be a good audiologist if I let people get away with that >> cliche speech, how could anyone not be worth a better standard of life? >> no matter what that lifestyle involves. > You would not be a very good audiologist if you don’t listen to your > patients and their psychological and emotional needs, either. >> As for the rest of it, it is bullshit, sorry plain and simple. > Sorry, but you’re not me, so you can’t possibly know this. And the > audiologist I went to, who actually interacted with me, she wasn’t > nearly as sure as you are that I need hearing aids. Her recommendation > was for a second test after the fluid was resolved because it was the > primary impairment.

I agree with Susan in that you have enough hearing loss ON PAPER to be a candidate for hearing aids. Maybe you could try to find a local audiologist who could demo some aids for you. That gives it a try at least. However if you are adamant that you don’t need them now, you might not be willing to invest the time and effort and it would be a waste of money at this point. But I would recommend strongly trying to demo some first. >>  How can >> you say that " Yes, I could benefit if I >> were a very social person or if I had certain kinds of jobs, etc. But >> right now I can hear quite well FOR WHAT I NEED. As I said before, I’ll >> be happy to invest when I get to the point where I feel uncomfortable or >> that I am missing things I shouldn’t or when people obviously are >> frustrated with me. I’m sure when I do get hearing aids I’ll realise >> that music sounds very different." > So you’re saying I should spend thousands of dollars so I can hear every > word of private conversations people 30+ feet away at the lakefront are > having over the crash of the waves, as opposed to some and even most of > it? WHY? Why do I need to hear other people’s conversations?

This is an unrealistic expectation of what hearing aids do. Even people with no hearing loss have problems in this situation. However, you may not realize how much of your conversations you are really missing… JennL.

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I didn’t. In article <cl94g202…@news1.newsguy.com>, mrhiggins1 @noodlessbcglobal.net says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I wouldn’t have expected you to end up calling names???…GG > "Susan" <susanbl…@snet.net> wrote in message > news:MPG.1be1bd3774bd56f49896f2@news.snet.sbcglobal.net… > > I concede to your point and her ignorance. > >> I’ll only disagree with Susan on one point…. This person IS NOT a > >> candidate for hearing aids. Sure, audiometrically she’s a candidate > >> but you’re not fitting the audiogram. You’d be fitting a person that > >> is in deep denial and she would never be successful. So, while I agree > >> that based on the audiogram alone, she would benefit from a binaural > >> fitting, her denial will prevent her from every being successful. > >> Montag > >> Audiologist

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If your hearing is good, why are you hear? On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:10:51 GMT, "Diane L. Schirf" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<del…@mindspring.com> wrote: >In article <MPG.1be109c459e732c6989…@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>, > Susan <susanbl…@snet.net> wrote: >> I would not be a good audiologist if I let people get away with that >> cliche speech, how could anyone not be worth a better standard of life? >> no matter what that lifestyle involves. >You would not be a very good audiologist if you don’t listen to your >patients and their psychological and emotional needs, either. >> As for the rest of it, it is bullshit, sorry plain and simple. >Sorry, but you’re not me, so you can’t possibly know this. And the >audiologist I went to, who actually interacted with me, she wasn’t >nearly as sure as you are that I need hearing aids. Her recommendation >was for a second test after the fluid was resolved because it was the >primary impairment. >>  How can >> you say that " Yes, I could benefit if I >> were a very social person or if I had certain kinds of jobs, etc. But >> right now I can hear quite well FOR WHAT I NEED. As I said before, I’ll >> be happy to invest when I get to the point where I feel uncomfortable or >> that I am missing things I shouldn’t or when people obviously are >> frustrated with me. I’m sure when I do get hearing aids I’ll realise >> that music sounds very different." >So you’re saying I should spend thousands of dollars so I can hear every >word of private conversations people 30+ feet away at the lakefront are >having over the crash of the waves, as opposed to some and even most of >it? WHY? Why do I need to hear other people’s conversations? >> I would not be a good audiologist if I let people get away with that >> cliche speech, how could anyone not be worth a better standard of life? >> no matter what that lifestyle involves. >Again, tell me how hearing this kind of thing improves my "standard of >life"? >> PS- YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE MISSING WHEN YOU CAN’T HEAR BECAUSE YOU >> CAN’T HEAR WHAT YOU ARE MISSING. >Well, since I never noticed a decline, since I play things at EXACTLY >the same volume as I always have, since no one else noticed a decline, >and since I’ve never done anything obvious that would damage my hearing, >and since my friend and I went through an exercise where we compared how >we hear things, and we came out the same, I’m not sure that I’m missing >as much as you seem to think. >Why do you have so much hostility?

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In article <ad74617f.0410210604.3492f…@posting.google.com>,  mon…@gmail.com (montag) wrote: > I don’t hear other people’s private conversations clearly from 30 feet > away, but I hear it under normal circumstances and even in crowded > restaurants." I agree with Susan, BS! Not with that audiogram you > don’t.

But I do. I’ve even had to repeat something for someone sitting next to me at lunch who’d missed something at the end of the table. Remember, the right ear improved once the fluid was drained, so the audiogram is a bit out of date. — http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/

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In article <cl94g202…@news1.newsguy.com>,  "Gary G" <mrhiggi…@noodlessbcglobal.net> wrote: > I wouldn’t have expected you to end up calling names???…GG > "Susan" <susanbl…@snet.net> wrote in message > news:MPG.1be1bd3774bd56f49896f2@news.snet.sbcglobal.net… > > I concede to your point and her ignorance.

I’m disappointed because it’s not only unprofessional, but it points to a real lack of the type of understanding most health care professionals exhibit (including my geriatric nurse friend, who laughed outright at the idea I need hearing aids). The audiologist I went to, who interacted with me, has a different opinion about my "need" for hearing aids — and that was before the fluid was drained. Apparently, she’s ignorant, too. We who are closest to the situation are all ignorant. — http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/

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In article <NCWdd.7485$gq2.2226@trnddc01>,  "ModernMiko" <modernm…@NOverizon.net> wrote: > This is an unrealistic expectation of what hearing aids do. Even people with > no hearing loss have problems in this situation. However, you may not > realize how much of your conversations you are really missing…

I hear everything said to me from within a reasonable distance and can repeat it back, unless it’s whispered. Whispering’s always given me problems. When I go back to the ENT for the surgery follow-up, I might ask for a demo from the audiologist. But, like I said, she thought I did pretty well without. — http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/

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In article <d0ggn0pd3h2ha0bggvvrbeccdrma0ls…@4ax.com>,  Stu-R <st…@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > If your hearing is good, why are you hear?

Because it’s a progressive loss, so when it does get worse, I do want to have info about hearing aids, cost, care, etc., so I can ask good questions and so I know what to expect. (I said something like that orginally in a more abbreviated form, but it got lost in all the yelling.) I don’t say my hearing is "good"; I have no noticeable problems at this time. — http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/

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"Diane L. Schirf" <del…@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:9zYdd.5161$ta5.4280@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <NCWdd.7485$gq2.2226@trnddc01>, > "ModernMiko" <modernm…@NOverizon.net> wrote: >> This is an unrealistic expectation of what hearing aids do. Even people >> with >> no hearing loss have problems in this situation. However, you may not >> realize how much of your conversations you are really missing… > I hear everything said to me from within a reasonable distance and can > repeat it back, unless it’s whispered. Whispering’s always given me > problems. > When I go back to the ENT for the surgery follow-up, I might ask for a > demo from the audiologist. But, like I said, she thought I did pretty > well without.

How about in crowded situations or with a lot of background noise? — JennL

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If you want professional, come see me in my office setting. I use this forum to cut to the point–my understanding is that that is why most people are here, they want the realistic, non-sugar version (opinions) of what they are hearing from other sources. In article <nvYdd.5156$ta5.1…@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, del…@mindspring.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <cl94g202…@news1.newsguy.com>, >  "Gary G" <mrhiggi…@noodlessbcglobal.net> wrote: > > I wouldn’t have expected you to end up calling names???…GG > > "Susan" <susanbl…@snet.net> wrote in message > > news:MPG.1be1bd3774bd56f49896f2@news.snet.sbcglobal.net… > > > I concede to your point and her ignorance. > I’m disappointed because it’s not only unprofessional, but it points to > a real lack of the type of understanding most health care professionals > exhibit (including my geriatric nurse friend, who laughed outright at > the idea I need hearing aids). The audiologist I went to, who interacted > with me, has a different opinion about my "need" for hearing aids — and > that was before the fluid was drained. Apparently, she’s ignorant, too. > We who are closest to the situation are all ignorant.

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I don’t have as bad of loss as your audiogram claims yet odd, I cannot hear 30ft away, even in a quiet setting, me thinks something is off a wee bit. — "Diane L. Schirf" <del…@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:WsYdd.5152$ta5.3693@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <ad74617f.0410210604.3492f…@posting.google.com>, >  mon…@gmail.com (montag) wrote: > > I don’t hear other people’s private conversations clearly from 30 feet > > away, but I hear it under normal circumstances and even in crowded > > restaurants." I agree with Susan, BS! Not with that audiogram you > > don’t. > But I do. I’ve even had to repeat something for someone sitting next to > me at lunch who’d missed something at the end of the table. > Remember, the right ear improved once the fluid was drained, so the > audiogram is a bit out of date. > — > http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/

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As simply as It can be stated – when you don’t feed a given signal to the brain for a long time, the connection for that frequency or sound level in the brain atrophies, like an unused muscle.  When you eventually do feed the brain that signal, it is then very difficult or impossible to recover the connection.  Neurons need activity to stay alive.  It’s like exercise and cardiovascular health. We use instruments and measurement to extend our ability to deal with problems beyond what our senses tell us.  By the time our senses tell us of many diseases, it’s too late to do anything about them. Ignoring measurement is like playing Russian roulette.  If you don’t trust an audiologist, try the Miracle-Ear hearing test on the web. there are sixteen real-world samples.  Try all sixteen. Cheers On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:35:13 GMT, "Diane L. Schirf" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<del…@mindspring.com> wrote: >In article <d0ggn0pd3h2ha0bggvvrbeccdrma0ls…@4ax.com>, > Stu-R <st…@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> If your hearing is good, why are you hear? >Because it’s a progressive loss, so when it does get worse, I do want to >have info about hearing aids, cost, care, etc., so I can ask good >questions and so I know what to expect. (I said something like that >orginally in a more abbreviated form, but it got lost in all the >yelling.) I don’t say my hearing is "good"; I have no noticeable >problems at this time.

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In article <Zi%dd.10830$5v2.10…@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,  "RK" <x…@xxx.net> wrote: > I don’t have as bad of loss as your audiogram > claims yet odd, I cannot hear 30ft away, even > in a quiet setting,

Neither can I, which is what I said. — http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/

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In article <6e6hn0dtb364v2b1ffd9hrkn3m0688f…@4ax.com>,  Stu-R <st…@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > If you don’t > trust an audiologist

I trust the audiologist I saw. — http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/

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Well it looks like we’ve "heard" all we need about Diane’s hearing I wonder if it would be ok if I hi-jack the thread with my audiogram numbers…… Here is my year 2000 base line test done bythe local audiologist:                 Right        Left  250hz       40           35  500hz       45           35 1000hz      40           30 2000hz      35           30 3000hz      25           20 4000hz      10           15 5000hz      20           20 this line could be 6000hz (it’s a fax copy and hard to read) 8000hz      10           30 ENT says it’s hereditary, but there is no history of hearing problems in my family (and it’s abig family), other than those over 60 years of age. Having trouble getting into the audiologist again, so will probably get my next test at work.  The HR Training guy just got his cert. for hearing testing, and now we are waiting for the booth to be calibrated (it hasn’t been used for 2 years since the on site nurse retired). Over the last 4 years I have found that it is getting harder and harder to make out conversation, but I have no problem picking up high frequencies. What kind of aids would anyone suggest? I’m leaning towards the DSP programmable kind, especially if I can run the software at home. This way I can adjust them myself, not that I don’t want the audiologist to do it, it’s just, I work out of town and am only in at night and on weekends…..(and I work in computers and am a tech at heart) Is there a particular brand or model that could help me out?  I’m quite willing to wear 2 BTE’s (married don’t care what they look like….might even get the black ones, ya I know…geeky…) Dave

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"David McQueen" <mcque…@shawS.ca> wrote in message

news:Tbjed.2425$nl.1688@pd7tw3no… > Well it looks like we’ve "heard" all we need about Diane’s hearing

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And this was really meant to be funny The rest was serious though…..thanks Dave

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You have a rising audiogram, a much less common type of loss, this usually related to something genetic or possibly viral. In article <Tbjed.2425$nl.1688@pd7tw3no>, mcque…@shawS.ca says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well it looks like we’ve "heard" all we need about Diane’s hearing > I wonder if it would be ok if I hi-jack the thread with my audiogram > numbers…… > Here is my year 2000 base line test done bythe local audiologist: >                 Right        Left >  250hz       40           35 >  500hz       45           35 > 1000hz      40           30 > 2000hz      35           30 > 3000hz      25           20 > 4000hz      10           15 > 5000hz      20           20 this line could be 6000hz (it’s a fax copy and > hard to read) > 8000hz      10           30 > ENT says it’s hereditary, but there is no history of hearing problems in my > family (and it’s abig family), other than those over 60 years of age. > Having trouble getting into the audiologist again, so will probably get my > next test at work.  The HR Training guy just got his cert. for hearing > testing, and now we are waiting for the booth to be calibrated (it hasn’t > been used for 2 years since the on site nurse retired). > Over the last 4 years I have found that it is getting harder and harder to > make out conversation, but I have no problem picking up high frequencies. > What kind of aids would anyone suggest? > I’m leaning towards the DSP programmable kind, especially if I can run the > software at home. This way I can adjust them myself, not that I don’t want > the audiologist to do it, it’s just, I work out of town and am only in at > night and on weekends…..(and I work in computers and am a tech at heart) > Is there a particular brand or model that could help me out?  I’m quite > willing to wear 2 BTE’s (married don’t care what they look like….might > even get the black ones, ya I know…geeky…) > Dave

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2nd hearing test

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My wife went to an ent doc because she had a hearing loss due to a severe cold,the Audiologist associated with the ent doc did a hearing test and tympanic test.     my wife had fluid in her left ear,the doc gave her antibiotic;s to clear it up.     the audiologist scheduled another appointment for 30 days later,which the wife and I thought was for a follow up hearing test.     we went for the appointment and a hearing aid dispenser greeted us and said I guess you know why you are here,and I said yes,for a follow up hearing test. he said no that is not correct. my reply was ,how can you be sure the problem has been corrected and do you have a good test.     he sluffed this off and proceeded to demonstrate a vivatone  hearing aid. this lasted for an hour.     my question is should there have been a follow up hearing test,if not,why not.I  would appreciate some comments from the group. thank you in advance Ray

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If the hearing loss was connected to fluid in the ear, then yes a follow-up test is reasonable and often required.  A hearing loss due to a conductive component (like fluid in the ear) needs medical clearence from a physcian before you can dispense.  The doctor should not give this clearence until he (she) has seen the problem through and decided that there is nothing left medically, or a sensorineural compenent of the loss (making it a mixed loss) is enough to warrent aids anyway. The vivatone aid involves the speaker in the ear, definitely not an aid that I would recommend if there is any possible fluid or drainage in the ear. In article <ck9uib$fv0…@news3.infoave.net>, frc…@homexpresswayspam.net says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife went to an ent doc because she had a hearing loss due to a severe > cold,the Audiologist associated with the ent doc did a hearing test and > tympanic test. >     my wife had fluid in her left ear,the doc gave her antibiotic;s to clear > it up. >     the audiologist scheduled another appointment for 30 days later,which > the wife and I thought was for a follow up hearing test. >     we went for the appointment and a hearing aid dispenser greeted us and > said I guess you know why you are here,and I said yes,for a follow up > hearing test. he said no that is not correct. my reply was ,how can you be > sure the problem has been corrected and do you have a good test. >     he sluffed this off and proceeded to demonstrate a vivatone  hearing > aid. this lasted for an hour. >     my question is should there have been a follow up hearing test,if > not,why not.I  would appreciate some comments from the group. > thank you in advance > Ray

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Is the excess fluid in the middle ear or the cochlea?  I have a hearing loss related to cochlear hydrops a variant of Meniere’s.  Classic symptoms include a mixed hearing loss mostly in the low frequencies or a reverse slope, mountain range audiogram.

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the fluid is in the middle ear,thanks for all the replies Ray "Bishfish" <bishf…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20041010212520.12548.00001529@mb-m21.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Is the excess fluid in the middle ear or the cochlea?  I have a hearing > loss > related to cochlear hydrops a variant of Meniere’s.  Classic symptoms > include a > mixed hearing loss mostly in the low frequencies or a reverse slope, > mountain > range audiogram.

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Materials

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Has anyone experienced both soft (silicon) and hard shell aids in a way that permits a comparison of their relative comfort and wearability?

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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:52:38 -0500, Luke Cunningham <L…@clarkplace.net> took a very strange rock and inscribed these words: >Has anyone experienced both soft (silicon) and hard shell aids in a way >that permits a comparison of their relative comfort and wearability?

Yes. Silicon is more comfortable but can’t be used for an ITE, hard shells last longer but don’t adapt to minor differences in the ear shape. — Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter – Civis Mundi tlsh…@concentric.net        /    http://tlshell.cnc.net/

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tlsh…@concentric.net wrote: > On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:52:38 -0500, Luke Cunningham > <L…@clarkplace.net> took a very strange rock and inscribed these > words: >>Has anyone experienced both soft (silicon) and hard shell aids in a way >>that permits a comparison of their relative comfort and wearability? > Yes. Silicon is more comfortable but can’t be used for an ITE, hard > shells last longer but don’t adapt to minor differences in the ear > shape.

Actually, it was in this very newsgroup where I learned that an outfit called Interton does, in fact, manufacture ITEs out of clear silicone. I hope you don’t feel you wasted that "strange rock" thing though.

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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 18:42:19 -0500, Luke Cunningham <L…@clarkplace.net> took a very strange rock and inscribed these words: >Actually, it was in this very newsgroup where I learned that an outfit >called Interton does, in fact, manufacture ITEs out of clear silicone.

Really? Well, since my next hearing aids will be BTE, I suppose it’s too late now, but that’s very interesting. >I hope you don’t feel you wasted that "strange rock" thing though.

No, especially since I learned something new as a result. (-: — Therese Shellabarger – Civis Mundi – tlsh…@concentric.net

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Luke Cunningham <L…@clarkplace.net> wrote in message <news:415ee813$0$27613$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>… > Has anyone experienced both soft (silicon) and hard shell aids in a way > that permits a comparison of their relative comfort and wearability?

In the past few weeks I’ve had the opportunity to try both silicon and acrylic molds. I’ve been wearing Widex Diva ITC aids for 2.5 years for a mild high frequency loss, and recently got a cold that caused my eaustachian tubes to fill with fluid. Since the tubes had not cleared after 5 weeks, my ENT put in drainage tubes. That made wearing the ITC’s tricky at best, so I decided to try BTE’s. The first pair was Siemens Triano 3s from Costco, and the molds were silicon. They were very comfortable, but in effect had no vent. They went fairly deep in the canal, and completely blocked the canal. The only "vent" was a plug with a small hole in it on that part of the mold that was completely outside the canal. While the molds were comfortable, my ears still stayed moist like they did with the ITCs, and I eventually returned the aids for a full refund. I next decided to try again, with my regular Audiologist, who fitted me with acrylic molds. The molds don’t go in the canal as deeply, but have a large vent, and the outside of the mold fills my entire ear. Imagine a piece that fits in the canal, with a circular or tubular piece attached to it that "outlines" the outer ear. I use that piece as a handle to grab and twist the mold out of my ear. With the large vents, my ears are receiving the benefit I expected. The left one, which stopped draining a while ago, stays dry. The right one, which still drains, is drying up, and I’m beginning to get some hearing back as that drainage has less effect on the conductive part of my hearing loss. My audiologist did an excellent job fitting these  molds, which are as or more comfortable than the silicon molds or ITCs. Now I just have to decide which BTEs to go with. My audie wears Trianos, so I’m leaning that way, figuring she has a personal interest in it, but I really like the ease of use and sound quality of the Widex Divas. She’s letting me try both at no charge other than the molds, which are mine to keep. I expect I’ll make a decision in the next month or so.

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"jay" <jayskin…@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:b888ad8d.0410030503.61f721da@posting.google.com… > Luke Cunningham <L…@clarkplace.net> wrote in message

<news:415ee813$0$27613$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>… >  They were very comfortable, but in effect had no vent. > They went fairly deep in the canal, and completely blocked the canal. > The only "vent" was a plug with a small hole in it on that part of the > mold that was completely outside the canal. >

I’m curious about that vent plug.  Was the plug removable, and if it was, would there have remained a fully open bore through to the end of the of the mold that’s in the canal?   I’m considering silicone earmolds which I am sure would require an open vent to prevent occlusion.  The acrylic earmolds I have now came with a plug like you describe, but it was removable, and I was wondering if there is something about silicone molds that make them different with respect to venting.

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Just to make sure I understand: I get the feeling from your comments that, if fitted with equal precision, silicone is more comfortable in the ear than hard-shell. The issue is whether this softer material can maintain the integrity of its vent.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Martin" <marty…@optonline.net> wrote in message <news:qmU7d.28354$kq6.18064751@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>… > "jay" <jayskin…@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:b888ad8d.0410030503.61f721da@posting.google.com… > > Luke Cunningham <L…@clarkplace.net> wrote in message > <news:415ee813$0$27613$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>… > >  They were very comfortable, but in effect had no vent. > > They went fairly deep in the canal, and completely blocked the canal. > > The only "vent" was a plug with a small hole in it on that part of the > > mold that was completely outside the canal. > > I’m curious about that vent plug.  Was the plug removable, and if it was, > would there have remained a fully open bore through to the end of the of the > mold that’s in the canal?   I’m considering silicone earmolds which I am > sure would require an open vent to prevent occlusion.  The acrylic earmolds > I have now came with a plug like you describe, but it was removable, and I > was wondering if there is something about silicone molds that make them > different with respect to venting.

The vent plug was not part of the mold that fit into my ear canal. Only the sound tube was in the canal. That vent plug was forward of the canal extension, and was just in the part that fit in my outer ear. Pulling the plug left a larger round hole that just resulted in a lot of irritating "wind noise," for some reason. Imagine a circle, with a smaller circle within it that was the vent plug, and just beside that another circle that is where the part that extends into the canal protrudes. That’s what the mold was like. Contrast that with the acrylic mold, where the vent clearly parallels the sound tube, and extends into the canal.

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Luke Cunningham <L…@clarkplace.net> wrote in message <news:41601f85$0$27736$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>… > Just to make sure I understand: > I get the feeling from your comments that, if fitted with equal > precision, silicone is more comfortable in the ear than hard-shell. The > issue is whether this softer material can maintain the integrity of its > vent.

My personal experience is that the silicone had a squishy comfortable to it, while the acrylic, which does not extend as far into the canal, has initial and long term comfort. The acrylic molds keep my ears drier, and I experience less itching and day-long discomfort with them versus the silicone molds or hard shell ITCs. And of the three, the acrylic molds are the easiest to keep clean. It was interesting to note that the occlusion effect was much less in both the silicone and acrylic molds versus the ITCs, even though for all intents the silicone molds had no vent to speak of, the ITCs have the largest possible vent they could have, and the acrylic molds have a large vent that could be made larger.

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To get or not to get

Question:

No guessing here, you need to take yourself out of looking for confirmation of your own hopes and educate yourself on your hearing loss.  NO ONE HERE CAN HELP YOU if we do not understand your loss. If you are confused about the audiogram, post it and someone will help you through it. You don’t know what you are missing if you can’t hear what you miss. A quiet one on one conversation in an office is the easiest situation of all. You are obviously looking for a pat on the back and a push out the door, I hope that no one here gives it to you. In article <sbbuk01hv9qua08j0h22rq8q7h72kqb…@4ax.com>, masonc…@THISix.netcom.comQQQ says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:22:55 GMT, "Diane L. Schirf" > <del…@mindspring-getridofthistoreply-.com> wrote: > >This may be a rhetorical question, but would like some feedback. > >As I mentioned, I was diagnosed with sensorineural hearing loss in both > >ears and conductive in the right (which has been relieved through a tube > >to drain the fluid). I can’t tell you the particulars of the hearing > >loss — I don’t have the audiogram and wouldn’t understand it if I did > >– other than something about high frequencies, 20-25 decibels (or 30?), > >and problems with consonants. Until the fluid in my right ear shut it > >down, I had never noticed a hearing loss, and neither had anyone else, > >so the sensorineural diagnosis was a bit of a shock, especially since > >there really weren’t any risk factors (occupational, family history, > >etc.) other than, as I’ve learned recently, tinnitus (right ear) being > >an indicator. And it seems rather sudden. As I say, I have never had a > >noticeable problem (or maybe I was too stupid to notice?). > >The ENT (and the audiologist) both tell me I could really use hearing > >aids. I’ve tried to explain that I don’t feel I need them right now (I > >can hold conversations, I can hear in meetings, I can even hear at a > >table of 8 people in a noisy restaurant). I admit I don’t do as well > >with television, but I don’t watch much either. I also don’t seem to > >play it any more loudly than anyone else. I do have some problems on the > >phone (cell, work) with the volume at the lowest level, which is where > >I’ve always tried to keep it. > >Anyway, the ENT keeps looking at this audiogram and then at me and seems > >to feel I’m in denial and being stubborn. > >I work with an RN/MSN who specializes in geriatrics (which would include > >hearing-impaired elderly), and she says she doesn’t think I need them > >yet, either, presumably because she can’t tell that I’m having a > >problem. (We had a half-hour conversation across her office at a normal > >tone of voice.) > >Again, I know it’s hard (impossible?) to judge without the auidogram, > >but am I just being stubborn or should I hold out a little longer? > My guess: you are like me. Don’t need a hearing aid, however > the TV and movies mumble and we miss things — people laugh > at something spoken and we don’t get the joke.  My solution > for TV is an amplifier set next to the TV.  I’m working on > the movie problem.  (the problem is that they proudly > enhance their bass too much)  As for normal hearing, > an occasional "huh?" works for me? >        Mason C

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Diane L. Schirf wrote: > This may be a rhetorical question, but would like some feedback. > As I mentioned, I was diagnosed with sensorineural hearing loss in both > ears and conductive in the right (which has been relieved through a tube > to drain the fluid). I can’t tell you the particulars of the hearing > loss — I don’t have the audiogram and wouldn’t understand it if I did > — other than something about high frequencies, 20-25 decibels (or 30?), > and problems with consonants. Until the fluid in my right ear shut it > down, I had never noticed a hearing loss, and neither had anyone else, > so the sensorineural diagnosis was a bit of a shock, especially since > there really weren’t any risk factors (occupational, family history, > etc.) other than, as I’ve learned recently, tinnitus (right ear) being > an indicator. And it seems rather sudden. As I say, I have never had a > noticeable problem (or maybe I was too stupid to notice?). > The ENT (and the audiologist) both tell me I could really use hearing > aids. I’ve tried to explain that I don’t feel I need them right now (I > can hold conversations, I can hear in meetings, I can even hear at a > table of 8 people in a noisy restaurant). I admit I don’t do as well > with television, but I don’t watch much either. I also don’t seem to > play it any more loudly than anyone else. I do have some problems on the > phone (cell, work) with the volume at the lowest level, which is where > I’ve always tried to keep it. > Anyway, the ENT keeps looking at this audiogram and then at me and seems > to feel I’m in denial and being stubborn. > I work with an RN/MSN who specializes in geriatrics (which would include > hearing-impaired elderly), and she says she doesn’t think I need them > yet, either, presumably because she can’t tell that I’m having a > problem. (We had a half-hour conversation across her office at a normal > tone of voice.) > Again, I know it’s hard (impossible?) to judge without the auidogram, > but am I just being stubborn or should I hold out a little longer?

It’s sad your ENT will not hear what you are saying. He may need to get his ears checked. You should request a copy of your audiogram and get a second opinion. You may be in denial, on the other hand, the ENT may have a few thousand reason$ for wanting you to purchase an aid in addition to his wish that you hear well. On the other, other hand, if you truly function as well as you say, it doesn’t matter what a whole battery of tests indicate. The people around you are a better indicator of your need for hearing aids than tests done under artificial conditions. Just my opinion.

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I understand the decision to go HAs is not an easy one and ultimately, its only you that will make that call.  I just went the HA route after about 3 years of ‘on the fence’ position.  I should have purchased HAs about 2 years ago because I just did not realize how much hearing I lost.  I thought people were not speaking up, and mumbling.  Turns out, it was 90% me not hearing a reasonably loud voice. An ENT told me, when you realize that hearing occurs becasue the ear picks the sound up and transmits a signal to the brain. The brain is an integral part of hearing.  If that portion of the brain is left dormant so to speak due to a lack of signals, atrophy occurs.  Cells can begin to die from lack of use so when a 75 year old hard of hearing person trys HAs for the first time,  they have great difficulty.  Thats what I was told.  It sounds reasonable.  Of course, its a good sales pitch to sell HAs in his office as well. Good luck. — gkk2…@alltel.net

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Siemens Triano. Is it the right one?

Question:

Hi, "zatff" <zatff…@iname.com> wrote: > I am also shopping for a new hearing aid and was wondering how these > Siemen Trianos would work with a more severe hearing loss.  I have lost > the conductive mechanisms in my left hear from chronic infections and > have hearing loss from 80-110 db with the 80 being the low tones and 110 > the high tones.  My right ear is passable with around 20-40 db loss so I > only wear an aid in left ear.  My old Starkey BTE analog model has > needed repair three times (twice this month) and is six years old so > probably in need of replacement.

Marnix wrote in reply: http://www.siemens-hearing.com/professional/modules/library/library.aspx >You will find some information about the specs of various siemens hearing aids. In the technical brochure > about the BTE’s you will find the "fitting range" of the Triano 3P, which ends at -105db in low to -110 in > high frequencies. With more severe (to profound) loss you will have to switch to the (tow mic) Triano SP. > Of course these are only Siemens aids and there are more manufacturers of HA’s. So go shopping before spending >so much money on something you will use 12-20 hour a day. It’s an important choice! Good luck, >Marnix

I got a new hearing aid to try today and your guess was right on.  The hearing aid tech did some consultation and also thought the Triano SP with two mics was best fit for me.  It seems to work find so far for hearing except for some strange noises a couple time that sounded like radio interference.  It is also a little bigger and heavier and my ear is sore from wearing it for five hours.  Hope that is a temporary problem or something that can be adjusted zatff remove the nohear from address to reply

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DearZatiff, The Oticon & Widex companies have been well respected for their excellent maximum power instruments for years. Great customer & after sales service. Bill >  I have lost >> the conductive mechanisms in my left hear from chronic infections and >> have hearing loss from 80-110 db with the 80 being the low tones and 110 >> the high tones.

Why can’t you have ear surgery to fix the conductive part of your hearing loss?

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otosclerosis + vertigo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -woods…@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message <news:NMTSc.20870$Kt5.1269@twister.nyroc.rr.com>… > In article <1d3d875b.0408110346.19cfe…@posting.google.com>, zaf…@yahoo.com (Zaf) wrote: > >woods…@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message > > <news:jNURc.5736$Kt5.3485@twister.nyroc.rr.com>… > >> In article <CeJRc.1579801$Ar.673…@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, >  "Mary Green" <mgreen8…@rogers.com> wrote: > >> I have otosclerosis.  I do get some vertigo, but not too bad unless I try to > >> climb a ladder or something.  Then I become completely disoriented.  Not sure >  if > >> that is related to the otosclerosis or not. > >> I have trouble with speech clarity, too.  It has become better the longer >  I’ve > >> had my HAs.  I had a lot more trouble when I first got my aids (I had gone a > >> very long time without having the HAs, which I think impacted my ability to > >> discriminate).   > >Vertigo is not unusual with otosclorosis, distortion is. > >> I have not had the stapedectomy.  I’m waiting for the success rate to improve > >> somewhat.  (I’ve known people who’ve had both successes and failures with the > >> procedure). > >I think you will find the rate of success is actually getting LOWER > >due to the smaller number of surgeons performing the operation.  The > >advertised success rate of 90+% is complete bull$hit based on the > >small sample of people I spoke to who had this procedure (me > >included).  Are you taking flouride/fosamax? > No, the ENT I went to didn’t really know much about that, said there was "a" > doctor somewhere (I think he said Nashville, or somesuch) that was testing > flouride, but it likely didn’t work. > Have you been taking that?  Have you noticed an improvement, or a cessation in > the deterioration of your hearing?  If so, what’s the recommended dosage? > Woods

Flouride has been ‘controversial’ for the treatment of otosclorosis. There have not been any large scale studies.  My ent claims based on his patients, he believes it works.  I’ve been on various regimes for about 10+ years now.  Year to year, my hearing changes a little (sometimes even improving beyond measurement error in a single band), but all in all it has been unchanged with this treatment, which is certainly better then it getting worse! You’re probably best off finding a doc that believes in this treatment rather then reading the dosage on the internet (but the flouride can be purchased over the counter).  It it despensed as ‘flourical’  and the dosage I was on was 6 a day, along with caltrate w/D vitemens.

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Mary Green wrote: > Does anyone out there experience vertigo and hearing loss due to > otosclerosis – a conductive hearing loss?  

I have otosclerosis with hearing loss, and have suffered vertigo only twice in my life–the attacks were just a couple of weeks apart and hit while I was lying down.  The room suddenly started whirling around at a weird angle.  Scared me half to death, but it hasn’t repeated in five years, and I never saw a doctor about it.  Other than those two incidents, I’m not even particularly prone to dizziness. > Also – is there anyone who has > had a stapesdectomy and have any suggestions?  

I had a stapedectomy about 10 years ago.  It restored my hearing, and that ear is now my "good" one (although the hearing has deteriorated somewhat in the intervening years).  However, just a few days after the operation, I was awakened by a ringing sound in my ear that has never gone away.  I’m torn about whether the surgery was a success.  I can get by in most situations without a hearing aid in that ear (I have one for situations where comprehension is vital), and I can use a regular telephone on that side. Also, I like to windsurf and it would be impossible to do so if I didn’t have this one functioning ear–it would be simply unsafe not to be able to hear out there.  But that tinnitus–it drives me insane.   In the meantime, my other ear has deteriorated to the point that I am completely dependent on the hearing aid in that ear, but I’m also very happy with it.  I have absolutely no intention of having a stapedectomy on that ear, but a lot of that has to do with my satisfaction with my hearing aid. > What about the BAHA – bone > anchored hearing aids?  I am experiencing a great deal of isolation and > frustration with hearing loss – hearing aids seem to ampliphy everything > rather than help with hearing and understanding speech.  I am hoping for > some helpful suggestions…thanks a bunch!

I wasn’t thrilled with the hearing aid I had about 15 years or so ago–it was merely okay.  But I love the digital aids I have now for the bad ear (Oticon Digifocus, six years old, so not the latest technology).  It really does pick up speech, although I’ll be the first to admit that I rely on visual information far more than a hearing person would–I’m no lip reader but I do pay close attention.   Good luck!

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woods…@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message news:<e_JTc.28001$> >The success rate for revision surgery is lower then primary surgery.   > >FWIW, my ENT said there is only one guy he would refer me to for > >revision stapedectomy:  William Lippy in Warran, OH. > Are you in/near Ohio?  Does he personally know this person? > (I know someone who had a stapedectomy about 15 years ago, not sure if she’s in > need of a revision, but if this isn’t a personal friend of your ENT, I’ll hold > onto the name for her). > Woods

No, I’m in the northeast.  Never been to the lippy clinic.  I don’t think my ENT is a personal friend, just aware of the work they do there.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -In article <1d3d875b.0408141635.6a734…@posting.google.com>, zaf…@yahoo.com (Zaf) wrote: >"MrQuarter" <MrQuar…@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message > <news:gwbTc.3367$mD.2129@attbi_s02>… >> "Woodswun" <woods…@tepidmail.com> wrote in message >> news:NMTSc.20870$Kt5.1269@twister.nyroc.rr.com… >> > In article <1d3d875b.0408110346.19cfe…@posting.google.com>, >>  zaf…@yahoo.com (Zaf) wrote: >> > >woods…@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message >> > > <news:jNURc.5736$Kt5.3485@twister.nyroc.rr.com>… >> > >> In article >>  <CeJRc.1579801$Ar.673…@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, >>  "Mary Green" <mgreen8…@rogers.com> wrote: >> > >> I have otosclerosis.  I do get some vertigo, but not too bad unless I >>  try to >> > >> climb a ladder or something.  Then I become completely disoriented. >>  Not sure >>  if >> > >> that is related to the otosclerosis or not. >> > >> I have trouble with speech clarity, too.  It has become better the >>  longer >>  I’ve >> > >> had my HAs.  I had a lot more trouble when I first got my aids (I had >>  gone a >> > >> very long time without having the HAs, which I think impacted my >>  ability to >> > >> discriminate). >> > >Vertigo is not unusual with otosclorosis, distortion is. >> > >> I have not had the stapedectomy.  I’m waiting for the success rate to >>  improve >> > >> somewhat.  (I’ve known people who’ve had both successes and failures >>  with the >> > >> procedure). >> > >I think you will find the rate of success is actually getting LOWER >> > >due to the smaller number of surgeons performing the operation.  The >> > >advertised success rate of 90+% is complete bull$hit based on the >> > >small sample of people I spoke to who had this procedure (me >> > >included).  Are you taking flouride/fosamax? >> > No, the ENT I went to didn’t really know much about that, said there was >>  "a" >> > doctor somewhere (I think he said Nashville, or somesuch) that was testing >> > flouride, but it likely didn’t work. >> > Have you been taking that?  Have you noticed an improvement, or a >>  cessation in >> > the deterioration of your hearing?  If so, what’s the recommended dosage? >> > Woods >>  I’ve had 5 stapedectomies due to otosclorosis in both ears. 3 in one ear, 2 >> in the other. Only the first stapedectomies in each ear helped. The rest >> lessened my hearing. And the last one (in the ear with 3 operations) is now >> completely deaf. I was told by that last ENT that there was a 2% chance of >> going completely deaf due to the operation and after I lost all hearing >> after the last operation the doctor said it was the first time that had ever >> happened to him. Also, with each operation you may gain some, but you lose a >> little with each and every operation. Kind of like two steps forward, one >> step back. I also want to add the 5 operations spaced out over a 20 year >> period and the last doctor was a bad choice in my opinion. My first dortor >> was an older man. but worlds ahead in experience. His last operation on me >> left my hearing the same and he only charged what the insurance gave him. >> And the last doctor who caused me to lose what hearing I had in one ear >> didn’t charge me. Little help! He did admit the operation was the cause of >> the total loss of hearing in that ear. Now I live with wearing one BTE. I >> still get very stressed with conversations, and it’s magnified exponentely >> in a crowd. I lost my hearing in my right ear, so when I’m driving my >> elementary school daughters to and from school I can’t carry on a >> conversation with them. Hearing in public places is extremely stressful and >> usually avoided as much as possible. All my operations except the last were >> done with stapes from the bone bank, not the steel ones. >>   I guess the one thing I want to get across is find the BEST doctor if you >> are going to have the operation. Do your homework. I feel because of my lack >> of checking out this doctor, I lost my hearing in that ear. I feel a >> "knowledgable" doctor would have told me not to have the operation. There my >> 2 cents worth! >> Terry >The success rate for revision surgery is lower then primary surgery.   >FWIW, my ENT said there is only one guy he would refer me to for >revision stapedectomy:  William Lippy in Warran, OH.

Are you in/near Ohio?  Does he personally know this person? (I know someone who had a stapedectomy about 15 years ago, not sure if she’s in need of a revision, but if this isn’t a personal friend of your ENT, I’ll hold onto the name for her). Woods

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -In article <gwbTc.3367$mD.2129@attbi_s02>, "MrQuarter" <MrQuar…@nospamcomcast.net> wrote: >"Woodswun" <woods…@tepidmail.com> wrote in message >news:NMTSc.20870$Kt5.1269@twister.nyroc.rr.com… >> In article <1d3d875b.0408110346.19cfe…@posting.google.com>, >zaf…@yahoo.com (Zaf) wrote: >> >woods…@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message >> > <news:jNURc.5736$Kt5.3485@twister.nyroc.rr.com>… >> >> In article ><CeJRc.1579801$Ar.673…@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, >> > "Mary Green" <mgreen8…@rogers.com> wrote: >> >> I have otosclerosis.  I do get some vertigo, but not too bad unless I >try to >> >> climb a ladder or something.  Then I become completely disoriented. >Not sure >> > if >> >> that is related to the otosclerosis or not. >> >> I have trouble with speech clarity, too.  It has become better the >longer >> > I’ve >> >> had my HAs.  I had a lot more trouble when I first got my aids (I had >gone a >> >> very long time without having the HAs, which I think impacted my >ability to >> >> discriminate). >> >Vertigo is not unusual with otosclorosis, distortion is. >> >> I have not had the stapedectomy.  I’m waiting for the success rate to >improve >> >> somewhat.  (I’ve known people who’ve had both successes and failures >with the >> >> procedure). >> >I think you will find the rate of success is actually getting LOWER >> >due to the smaller number of surgeons performing the operation.  The >> >advertised success rate of 90+% is complete bull$hit based on the >> >small sample of people I spoke to who had this procedure (me >> >included).  Are you taking flouride/fosamax? >> No, the ENT I went to didn’t really know much about that, said there was >"a" >> doctor somewhere (I think he said Nashville, or somesuch) that was testing >> flouride, but it likely didn’t work. >> Have you been taking that?  Have you noticed an improvement, or a >cessation in >> the deterioration of your hearing?  If so, what’s the recommended dosage? >> Woods > I’ve had 5 stapedectomies due to otosclorosis in both ears. 3 in one ear, 2 >in the other. Only the first stapedectomies in each ear helped. The rest >lessened my hearing. And the last one (in the ear with 3 operations) is now >completely deaf. I was told by that last ENT that there was a 2% chance of >going completely deaf due to the operation and after I lost all hearing >after the last operation the doctor said it was the first time that had ever >happened to him. Also, with each operation you may gain some, but you lose a >little with each and every operation. Kind of like two steps forward, one >step back. I also want to add the 5 operations spaced out over a 20 year >period and the last doctor was a bad choice in my opinion. My first dortor >was an older man. but worlds ahead in experience. His last operation on me >left my hearing the same and he only charged what the insurance gave him. >And the last doctor who caused me to lose what hearing I had in one ear >didn’t charge me. Little help! He did admit the operation was the cause of >the total loss of hearing in that ear. Now I live with wearing one BTE. I >still get very stressed with conversations, and it’s magnified exponentely >in a crowd. I lost my hearing in my right ear, so when I’m driving my >elementary school daughters to and from school I can’t carry on a >conversation with them. Hearing in public places is extremely stressful and >usually avoided as much as possible. All my operations except the last were >done with stapes from the bone bank, not the steel ones. >  I guess the one thing I want to get across is find the BEST doctor if you >are going to have the operation. Do your homework. I feel because of my lack >of checking out this doctor, I lost my hearing in that ear. I feel a >"knowledgable" doctor would have told me not to have the operation. There my >2 cents worth!

I did some research into otosclerosis and the statistics for problems shortly after seeing my ENT.  He was dead on for all of them, so I have some amount of confidence that he knew something about it, but he did not perform the surgery himself.  He was willing to recommend someone in a nearby city who performed the surgery, but I wasn’t interested in such a risk at the time, and I also do not take referrals to friends/buddies of my doctor.  (I think that there is some amount of blindness on the part of professionals when it comes to recommending people they know – now, if he’d had some names in Boston or Nashville where all the experts are supposedly located, that’s something else.) Woods

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"MrQuarter" <MrQuar…@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message <news:gwbTc.3367$mD.2129@attbi_s02>… > "Woodswun" <woods…@tepidmail.com> wrote in message > news:NMTSc.20870$Kt5.1269@twister.nyroc.rr.com… > > In article <1d3d875b.0408110346.19cfe…@posting.google.com>, >  zaf…@yahoo.com (Zaf) wrote: > > >woods…@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message > > > <news:jNURc.5736$Kt5.3485@twister.nyroc.rr.com>… > > >> In article >  <CeJRc.1579801$Ar.673…@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, >  "Mary Green" <mgreen8…@rogers.com> wrote: > > >> I have otosclerosis.  I do get some vertigo, but not too bad unless I >  try to > > >> climb a ladder or something.  Then I become completely disoriented. >  Not sure >  if > > >> that is related to the otosclerosis or not. > > >> I have trouble with speech clarity, too.  It has become better the >  longer >  I’ve > > >> had my HAs.  I had a lot more trouble when I first got my aids (I had >  gone a > > >> very long time without having the HAs, which I think impacted my >  ability to > > >> discriminate). > > >Vertigo is not unusual with otosclorosis, distortion is. > > >> I have not had the stapedectomy.  I’m waiting for the success rate to >  improve > > >> somewhat.  (I’ve known people who’ve had both successes and failures >  with the > > >> procedure). > > >I think you will find the rate of success is actually getting LOWER > > >due to the smaller number of surgeons performing the operation.  The > > >advertised success rate of 90+% is complete bull$hit based on the > > >small sample of people I spoke to who had this procedure (me > > >included).  Are you taking flouride/fosamax? > > No, the ENT I went to didn’t really know much about that, said there was >  "a" > > doctor somewhere (I think he said Nashville, or somesuch) that was testing > > flouride, but it likely didn’t work. > > Have you been taking that?  Have you noticed an improvement, or a >  cessation in > > the deterioration of your hearing?  If so, what’s the recommended dosage? > > Woods >  I’ve had 5 stapedectomies due to otosclorosis in both ears. 3 in one ear, 2 > in the other. Only the first stapedectomies in each ear helped. The rest > lessened my hearing. And the last one (in the ear with 3 operations) is now > completely deaf. I was told by that last ENT that there was a 2% chance of > going completely deaf due to the operation and after I lost all hearing > after the last operation the doctor said it was the first time that had ever > happened to him. Also, with each operation you may gain some, but you lose a > little with each and every operation. Kind of like two steps forward, one > step back. I also want to add the 5 operations spaced out over a 20 year > period and the last doctor was a bad choice in my opinion. My first dortor > was an older man. but worlds ahead in experience. His last operation on me > left my hearing the same and he only charged what the insurance gave him. > And the last doctor who caused me to lose what hearing I had in one ear > didn’t charge me. Little help! He did admit the operation was the cause of > the total loss of hearing in that ear. Now I live with wearing one BTE. I > still get very stressed with conversations, and it’s magnified exponentely > in a crowd. I lost my hearing in my right ear, so when I’m driving my > elementary school daughters to and from school I can’t carry on a > conversation with them. Hearing in public places is extremely stressful and > usually avoided as much as possible. All my operations except the last were > done with stapes from the bone bank, not the steel ones. >   I guess the one thing I want to get across is find the BEST doctor if you > are going to have the operation. Do your homework. I feel because of my lack > of checking out this doctor, I lost my hearing in that ear. I feel a > "knowledgable" doctor would have told me not to have the operation. There my > 2 cents worth! > Terry

The success rate for revision surgery is lower then primary surgery.   FWIW, my ENT said there is only one guy he would refer me to for revision stapedectomy:  William Lippy in Warran, OH.

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On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:29:38 GMT, "Mary Green" <mgreen8…@rogers.com> took a very strange rock and inscribed these words: >I am experiencing a great deal of isolation and >frustration with hearing loss – hearing aids seem to ampliphy everything >rather than help with hearing and understanding speech.  I am hoping for >some helpful suggestions.

Speechreading can help with things that sound similar but look different, it’s something you can pick up with practice and use of hearing aids. There’s a video out there on speechreading that I haven’t seen but it may be useful; try Harris Communications for a full line of resources. (http://www.harriscomm.com/) Another thing you might try is a Pocket Talker, it’s used for one-on-one situations where there is too much background noise for hearing aids to work effectively. — Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter – Civis Mundi tlsh…@concentric.net        /    http://tlshell.cnc.net/

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woods…@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message <news:jNURc.5736$Kt5.3485@twister.nyroc.rr.com>… > In article <CeJRc.1579801$Ar.673…@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "Mary Green" <mgreen8…@rogers.com> wrote: > I have otosclerosis.  I do get some vertigo, but not too bad unless I try to > climb a ladder or something.  Then I become completely disoriented.  Not sure if > that is related to the otosclerosis or not. > I have trouble with speech clarity, too.  It has become better the longer I’ve > had my HAs.  I had a lot more trouble when I first got my aids (I had gone a > very long time without having the HAs, which I think impacted my ability to > discriminate).  

Vertigo is not unusual with otosclorosis, distortion is. > I have not had the stapedectomy.  I’m waiting for the success rate to improve > somewhat.  (I’ve known people who’ve had both successes and failures with the > procedure).

I think you will find the rate of success is actually getting LOWER due to the smaller number of surgeons performing the operation.  The advertised success rate of 90+% is complete bull$hit based on the small sample of people I spoke to who had this procedure (me included).  Are you taking flouride/fosamax?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -In article <1d3d875b.0408110346.19cfe…@posting.google.com>, zaf…@yahoo.com (Zaf) wrote: >woods…@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message > <news:jNURc.5736$Kt5.3485@twister.nyroc.rr.com>… >> In article <CeJRc.1579801$Ar.673…@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, > "Mary Green" <mgreen8…@rogers.com> wrote: >> I have otosclerosis.  I do get some vertigo, but not too bad unless I try to >> climb a ladder or something.  Then I become completely disoriented.  Not sure > if >> that is related to the otosclerosis or not. >> I have trouble with speech clarity, too.  It has become better the longer > I’ve >> had my HAs.  I had a lot more trouble when I first got my aids (I had gone a >> very long time without having the HAs, which I think impacted my ability to >> discriminate).   >Vertigo is not unusual with otosclorosis, distortion is. >> I have not had the stapedectomy.  I’m waiting for the success rate to improve >> somewhat.  (I’ve known people who’ve had both successes and failures with the >> procedure). >I think you will find the rate of success is actually getting LOWER >due to the smaller number of surgeons performing the operation.  The >advertised success rate of 90+% is complete bull$hit based on the >small sample of people I spoke to who had this procedure (me >included).  Are you taking flouride/fosamax?

No, the ENT I went to didn’t really know much about that, said there was "a" doctor somewhere (I think he said Nashville, or somesuch) that was testing flouride, but it likely didn’t work. Have you been taking that?  Have you noticed an improvement, or a cessation in the deterioration of your hearing?  If so, what’s the recommended dosage? Woods

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"Woodswun" <woods…@tepidmail.com> wrote in message

news:NMTSc.20870$Kt5.1269@twister.nyroc.rr.com… > In article <1d3d875b.0408110346.19cfe…@posting.google.com>, zaf…@yahoo.com (Zaf) wrote: > >woods…@tepidmail.com (Woodswun) wrote in message > > <news:jNURc.5736$Kt5.3485@twister.nyroc.rr.com>… > >> In article

<CeJRc.1579801$Ar.673…@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > "Mary Green" <mgreen8…@rogers.com> wrote: > >> I have otosclerosis.  I do get some vertigo, but not too bad unless I try to > >> climb a ladder or something.  Then I become completely disoriented. Not sure > > if > >> that is related to the otosclerosis or not. > >> I have trouble with speech clarity, too.  It has become better the longer > > I’ve > >> had my HAs.  I had a lot more trouble when I first got my aids (I had gone a > >> very long time without having the HAs, which I think impacted my ability to > >> discriminate). > >Vertigo is not unusual with otosclorosis, distortion is. > >> I have not had the stapedectomy.  I’m waiting for the success rate to improve > >> somewhat.  (I’ve known people who’ve had both successes and failures with the > >> procedure). > >I think you will find the rate of success is actually getting LOWER > >due to the smaller number of surgeons performing the operation.  The > >advertised success rate of 90+% is complete bull$hit based on the > >small sample of people I spoke to who had this procedure (me > >included).  Are you taking flouride/fosamax? > No, the ENT I went to didn’t really know much about that, said there was "a" > doctor somewhere (I think he said Nashville, or somesuch) that was testing > flouride, but it likely didn’t work. > Have you been taking that?  Have you noticed an improvement, or a cessation in > the deterioration of your hearing?  If so, what’s the recommended dosage? > Woods

 I’ve had 5 stapedectomies due to otosclorosis in both ears. 3 in one ear, 2 in the other. Only the first stapedectomies in each ear helped. The rest lessened my hearing. And the last one (in the ear with 3 operations) is now completely deaf. I was told by that last ENT that there was a 2% chance of going completely deaf due to the operation and after I lost all hearing after the last operation the doctor said it was the first time that had ever happened to him. Also, with each operation you may gain some, but you lose a little with each and every operation. Kind of like two steps forward, one step back. I also want to add the 5 operations spaced out over a 20 year period and the last doctor was a bad choice in my opinion. My first dortor was an older man. but worlds ahead in experience. His last operation on me left my hearing the same and he only charged what the insurance gave him. And the last doctor who caused me to lose what hearing I had in one ear didn’t charge me. Little help! He did admit the operation was the cause of the total loss of hearing in that ear. Now I live with wearing one BTE. I still get very stressed with conversations, and it’s magnified exponentely in a crowd. I lost my hearing in my right ear, so when I’m driving my elementary school daughters to and from school I can’t carry on a conversation with them. Hearing in public places is extremely stressful and usually avoided as much as possible. All my operations except the last were done with stapes from the bone bank, not the steel ones.   I guess the one thing I want to get across is find the BEST doctor if you are going to have the operation. Do your homework. I feel because of my lack of checking out this doctor, I lost my hearing in that ear. I feel a "knowledgable" doctor would have told me not to have the operation. There my 2 cents worth! Terry

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In article <CeJRc.1579801$Ar.673…@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "Mary Green" <mgreen8…@rogers.com> wrote: >Hi there, >Does anyone out there experience vertigo and hearing loss due to >otosclerosis – a conductive hearing loss?  Also – is there anyone who has >had a stapesdectomy and have any suggestions?  What about the BAHA – bone >anchored hearing aids?  I am experiencing a great deal of isolation and >frustration with hearing loss – hearing aids seem to ampliphy everything >rather than help with hearing and understanding speech.  I am hoping for >some helpful suggestions…thanks a bunch!

I have otosclerosis.  I do get some vertigo, but not too bad unless I try to climb a ladder or something.  Then I become completely disoriented.  Not sure if that is related to the otosclerosis or not. I have trouble with speech clarity, too.  It has become better the longer I’ve had my HAs.  I had a lot more trouble when I first got my aids (I had gone a very long time without having the HAs, which I think impacted my ability to discriminate).   I have not had the stapedectomy.  I’m waiting for the success rate to improve somewhat.  (I’ve known people who’ve had both successes and failures with the procedure). Woods

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"Mary Green" <mgreen8…@rogers.com> wrote in message

news:CeJRc.1579801$Ar.673104@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com… > Hi there, > Does anyone out there experience vertigo and hearing loss due to > otosclerosis – a conductive hearing loss?  Also – is there anyone who has > had a stapesdectomy and have any suggestions?  What about the BAHA – bone > anchored hearing aids?  I am experiencing a great deal of isolation and > frustration with hearing loss – hearing aids seem to ampliphy everything > rather than help with hearing and understanding speech.  I am hoping for > some helpful suggestions…thanks a bunch!

Hi Mary I don’t know what area you are in, but a trip to the Audio dept might be in order to get info on the BAHA which is indicated for otosclerotics.  You could also check out the entific website. Regards Paul

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Hi there, Does anyone out there experience vertigo and hearing loss due to otosclerosis – a conductive hearing loss?  Also – is there anyone who has had a stapesdectomy and have any suggestions?  What about the BAHA – bone anchored hearing aids?  I am experiencing a great deal of isolation and frustration with hearing loss – hearing aids seem to ampliphy everything rather than help with hearing and understanding speech.  I am hoping for some helpful suggestions…thanks a bunch! Mary

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Topics to be discussed at SHHH convention (ie. hair cells)

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Don’t know about you, but I’m always looking for reasons to go to Omaha in summer. I’m all for this meeting, but it probably costs as much to fly from the coasts to Omaha as it does from one end of the country to the other, and you don’t have to put up with the giggles at the ticket counter. Now, if it were football season that might be another story… "HHIssues" <hhiss…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040528141130.13966.00000056@mb-m18.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello everyone, > Shown below, anyone here going to the SHHH convention ?

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Fascinating collection of topics. But I’ll still be working. Too bad. At least in the fall, it’s a gorgeous drive through Iowa to Omaha.

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On 29 May 2004 09:26:55 -0700, pellmellwillyni…@hotmail.com (Pell Nilly) wrote: >Fascinating collection of topics. But I’ll still be working. Too bad. >At least in the fall, it’s a gorgeous drive through Iowa to Omaha.

It’s nice in the spring, too.  Just did that trip to do a little bit of the Lewis and Clark bicentennial thing from Council Bluffs, IA to Yankton, SD. Terri

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: Topics to be discussed at SHHH convention (ie. hair cells) >From: hhiss…@aol.com  (HHIssues) >Date: 5/28/2004 2:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <20040528141130.13966.00000…@mb-m18.aol.com> >Hello everyone, >Shown below, anyone here going to the SHHH convention ? Here’s some of the >topics to be discussed: >The Inner Ear: the 21st Century Frontier >10th Annual Symposium >Sunday, June 13, 2004 w 9 a.m.

scarring of eardrum

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<tlsh…@concentric.net> wrote in message

news:mhqr00954ek7mbebpi92sq3g3g0dpf399k@4ax.com… > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:21:00 -0800, <OOR…@USMC.net> took a very > strange color crayon and scribbled: > >In my case it’s sensorineural due to sudden acoustic trauma. My wife has > >another diagnosis: "Selective Listening". > You can tell your wife I said she’s full of it.

That’s unkind. Actually, she’s at least partly right.

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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:21:00 -0800, <OOR…@USMC.net> took a very strange color crayon and scribbled: >In my case it’s sensorineural due to sudden acoustic trauma. My wife has >another diagnosis: "Selective Listening".

You can tell your wife I said she’s full of it. That’s one of the things that an understanding of acoustics would go a long way towards clearing up. Sounds bounce off walls and other hard surfaces, sometimes these sounds become amplified, other times they are scattered and useless. Sometimes I can hear more clearly from inside the doorway of an adjoining room than I can in the other room two feet from the person speaking and it’s not my hearing aids or my attention that is at fault. Hmm, maybe if we used speaking tubes it would help… — Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter – Civis Mundi tlsh…@concentric.net        /    http://tlshell.cnc.net/

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myringotomy cause acoustic trauma? Regards/ Jerome – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<OOR…@USMC.net> wrote in message <news:bujuq1$irrrm$1@ID-208801.news.uni-berlin.de>… > In my case it’s sensorineural due to sudden acoustic trauma. My wife has > another diagnosis: "Selective Listening". > "Jerome Tan" <j…@i-manila.com.ph> wrote in message > news:f038f902.0401200933.3fe1b9a2@posting.google.com… > > "HLE" <OOR…@USMC.ret> wrote in message >  <news:593Pb.99785$Vs3.81892@twister.socal.rr.com>… > > > "Jerome Tan" <j…@i-manila.com.ph> wrote in message > > > news:f038f902.0401190951.4b9e09b@posting.google.com… > > > > hi there, > > > > does anyone know how many decibels is lost due to scarring of eardrum? > > > Unless you have accurate testing prior to the scarring and then >  afterward, > > > you cannot even guess what the damage might be. Some people have had a > > > tympanoplasty, or replacement/repair of the eardrum with skin from >  somewhere > > > else, and that often leaves considerable scar tissue yet the patient can > > > hear reasonably well (except for me, alas!). > > you have conductive loss or sensorineural hearing loss?

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In my case it’s sensorineural due to sudden acoustic trauma. My wife has another diagnosis: "Selective Listening". "Jerome Tan" <j…@i-manila.com.ph> wrote in message

news:f038f902.0401200933.3fe1b9a2@posting.google.com… > "HLE" <OOR…@USMC.ret> wrote in message

<news:593Pb.99785$Vs3.81892@twister.socal.rr.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > "Jerome Tan" <j…@i-manila.com.ph> wrote in message > > news:f038f902.0401190951.4b9e09b@posting.google.com… > > > hi there, > > > does anyone know how many decibels is lost due to scarring of eardrum? > > Unless you have accurate testing prior to the scarring and then afterward, > > you cannot even guess what the damage might be. Some people have had a > > tympanoplasty, or replacement/repair of the eardrum with skin from somewhere > > else, and that often leaves considerable scar tissue yet the patient can > > hear reasonably well (except for me, alas!). > you have conductive loss or sensorineural hearing loss?

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hi there, does anyone know how many decibels is lost due to scarring of eardrum? thanks! regards/ jerome

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"Jerome Tan" <j…@i-manila.com.ph> wrote in message

news:f038f902.0401190951.4b9e09b@posting.google.com… > hi there, > does anyone know how many decibels is lost due to scarring of eardrum?

Unless you have accurate testing prior to the scarring and then afterward, you cannot even guess what the damage might be. Some people have had a tympanoplasty, or replacement/repair of the eardrum with skin from somewhere else, and that often leaves considerable scar tissue yet the patient can hear reasonably well (except for me, alas!).

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"HLE" <OOR…@USMC.ret> wrote in message <news:593Pb.99785$Vs3.81892@twister.socal.rr.com>… > "Jerome Tan" <j…@i-manila.com.ph> wrote in message > news:f038f902.0401190951.4b9e09b@posting.google.com… > > hi there, > > does anyone know how many decibels is lost due to scarring of eardrum? > Unless you have accurate testing prior to the scarring and then afterward, > you cannot even guess what the damage might be. Some people have had a > tympanoplasty, or replacement/repair of the eardrum with skin from somewhere > else, and that often leaves considerable scar tissue yet the patient can > hear reasonably well (except for me, alas!).

you have conductive loss or sensorineural hearing loss?

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