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Sad news from the Ellis Institute.

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So much for rational behaviour. Note the derogatory tone which is employed about Ellis in the article. I understand the Post is hardly a serious newspaper but still it’s a sad story. P.  From NY Post: STAR SHRINK, 92, IS PSYCHED OUT By DAVID HAFETZ October 9, 2005 — An eccentric shrink whose theories have come to shape modern psychotherapy is ensconced in an apartment atop the East 65th Street institute he founded while he battles a bitter coup. Albert Ellis, 92, whose work has been hailed by everyone from the Clintons to Mayor Bloomberg to Nicole Kidman, was booted Sept. 18 from the board of the nonprofit Albert Ellis Institute. He also was barred from the Friday-night "stand-up" psychotherapy sessions he has conducted before crowds of as many as 200 for more than 30 years. A lawyer for the board says Ellis’ expenses are "preposterous" and putting the institute’s future at risk. Ellis says he’s been defamed, and his lawyer claims people at the institute are trying to create the impression that Ellis is "losing it."  From his apartment in the mansion that houses the institute, Ellis has fired back with two lawsuits against the institute and four trustees. The suit accuses the trustees of acting illegally to remove him and "wrest and solidify control of the Ellis Institute and its benefits for themselves." In the mid-’50s, Ellis proposed that therapy focus not on excavating childhood but on confronting and dismissing irrational expectations people have for their lives

Bidpay chargeback fraud

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so how does this scam work exactly?  at which point and on what ground (and by whom) will  I be asked/forced to return the funds. I assume that all will seem smooth upto where I cash the MO and send the marchandise.

Some WU may be counterfiet. — When you hear the toilet flush, and hear the words "uh oh", it’s already too late.    - by anonymous Mother in Austin, TX To reply, replace digi.mon with phreaker.net

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so how does this scam work exactly?  at which point and on what ground (and by whom) will  I be asked/forced to return the funds. I assume that all will seem smooth upto where I cash the MO and send the marchandise. Some WU may be counterfiet.

Yes, though it doesn’t seem to happen often. BidPay is rather resistant to counterfeits, if the seller doesn’t do something stupid. BidPay mails the WU money order to the seller; look for a Broomfield, CO, return address. BidPay makes very sure that it gets its cash from a credit card before mailing a MO to you, of course, and that entails checking the card against lost/stolen cards database. Only after the cash is secured does BidPay mail a MO and notify seller via email that it’s been mailed. Gotta watch for spoofs, and never ship until the MO is in your hand. You can also track payments coming to you online. U. S. sellers can have BidPay deposit money directly to their checking accounts. "What happens if BidPay sends me a payment paid for with a stolen credit card?" http://bidpay.com/getPaidFAQProblems.asp#8

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I constantly get email from buyers wanting to use Bidpay and stating they will use their own shipper to pick up the merchandise.  I smell a scam.  If I agree to accept Bidpay and wait for a check to arrive from Western Union and cash it,  Can Bidpay request the money back for any reason if I shipped the proper merchandise. well, your sense of smell is good.  these are scams in very most of the cases. however, I do have a similar questions for all nice folks of this newsgroup (including Lumpy).   I honestly never spent a lot of time considering or thinking about the procedure, but just quickly reading through it, the guy wants it shipped to (generally) Nigeria… and wants to pay with WU… then have item picked up etc, once I cash the money order of course. so how does this scam work exactly?  at which point and on what ground (and by whom) will  I be asked/forced to return the funds. I assume that all will seem smooth upto where I cash the MO and send the marchandise. maybe if we think on this hard enough, we’ll find a way to scam the scammer. its like stealing from a thief.  "it wasn’t his to start with" hahahaha thanks.

A bit OT – but these guys are good at "scamming scammers" – www.419eater.com

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I constantly get email from buyers wanting to use Bidpay and stating they will use their own shipper to pick up the merchandise.  I smell a scam.  If I agree to accept Bidpay and wait for a check to arrive from Western Union and cash it,  Can Bidpay request the money back for any reason if I shipped the proper merchandise.

The only way anyone can scam you is if you ship after receiving a fake "ORDER APPROVED" e-mail allegedly from BidPay. As long as you go to BidPay’s site to check whether a M.O. has been sent, you’ll be OK. BidPay often rejects even legit credit cards, so the chance they’ll fall for a fraud is slim – since unlike PayPal, they don’t pass along chargebacks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – so how does this scam work exactly?  at which point and on what ground (and by whom) will  I be asked/forced to return the funds. I assume that all will seem smooth upto where I cash the MO and send the marchandise. Some WU may be counterfiet. Yes, though it doesn’t seem to happen often. BidPay is rather resistant to counterfeits, if the seller doesn’t do something stupid. BidPay mails the WU money order to the seller; look for a Broomfield, CO, return address. BidPay makes very sure that it gets its cash from a credit card before mailing a MO to you, of course, and that entails checking the card against lost/stolen cards database. Only after the cash is secured does BidPay mail a MO and notify seller via email that it’s been mailed. Gotta watch for spoofs, and never ship until the MO is in your hand. You can also track payments coming to you online. U. S. sellers can have BidPay deposit money directly to their checking accounts. "What happens if BidPay sends me a payment paid for with a stolen credit card?" http://bidpay.com/getPaidFAQProblems.asp#8

http://www.bidpaysucks.com/ A

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – so how does this scam work exactly?  at which point and on what ground (and by whom) will  I be asked/forced to return the funds. I assume that all will seem smooth upto where I cash the MO and send the marchandise. Some WU may be counterfiet. Yes, though it doesn’t seem to happen often. BidPay is rather resistant to counterfeits, if the seller doesn’t do something stupid. BidPay mails the WU money order to the seller; look for a Broomfield, CO, return address. BidPay makes very sure that it gets its cash from a credit card before mailing a MO to you, of course, and that entails checking the card against lost/stolen cards database. Only after the cash is secured does BidPay mail a MO and notify seller via email that it’s been mailed. Gotta watch for spoofs, and never ship until the MO is in your hand. You can also track payments coming to you online. U. S. sellers can have BidPay deposit money directly to their checking accounts. "What happens if BidPay sends me a payment paid for with a stolen credit card?" http://bidpay.com/getPaidFAQProblems.asp#8 http://www.bidpaysucks.com/ A

My anti-virus software (McAfee) won’t open any link from that page. Looks like bidpaysuckssucks Kris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I constantly get email from buyers wanting to use Bidpay and stating they will use their own shipper to pick up the merchandise.  I smell a scam.  If I agree to accept Bidpay and wait for a check to arrive from Western Union and cash it,  Can Bidpay request the money back for any reason if I shipped the proper merchandise. BidPay won’t ask for money back whether you ship or not. You don’t receive a check. You receive a WU money order (or U. S. recipients can have money deposited directly to their bank accounts). Either way, there’s no danger of a chargeback. The buyer does not charge a BidPay transaction to his credit card. The buyer takes a cash advance from his credit card and gives the cash to BidPay (with BidPay’s electronic help, of course). Thus, there can be no chargeback. BidPay charges a fee, of course. Many buyers fail to realize that their credit card companies may also charge a fee for a cash advance. the man was talking about a scam.   you making it sound like its not a scam. are you scamming us? :) It won’t be a scam of the seller, but of the person whose credit card has been stolen and used to pay via BidPay. The seller will get and keep his money. The scammer is after the goods. The scammers’ "own shipper" may be a real carrier paid with the same stolen card or a hijacked business account. The person who picks up the package may instead be the scammer’s accomplice. ha! okay I see now. I always wondered how these nigeria/wu scams worked.  had this been done with paypal, if someone used stolen card, the seller would get the funds but they would be taken back from his account (or account suspended until repaid) once it was discovered the card was stolen (usually meaning once the origina cardholder would complain). but if you say WU/bidpay has no way to chargeback the money paid to seller with stolen card, then the only real loser in this whole scam is the original cardholder whose funds are being for the transaction. I hope I got it right.    thats no fun to the original cardholder I know,but some more or less honest sellers will/could/may still call it a done and good deal! You got it, my little numpty! The seller needn’t even worry about negative feedback, since the disgruntled cardholder’s eBay account probably wasn’t involved in the transaction. BidPay won’t lose any money, either. Remember, it did not accept a credit card charge, so there’s nothing for the credit card company to charge back against BidPay. BidPay accepted cash from the buyer, which the buyer obtained via a cash advance from his credit card. Western Union has been facilitating illegal money transfers for decades. You can be sure it’s figured out how to protect itself. :-) wow! what are then the chances there is one of these bidpay deal offers from Nigeria that actually aren’t scams?  none?

I would not wager an unexpired lottery ticket on it. But does it matter to a seller who gets paid with no risk of reversal? That raises ethical and legal questions. Is it reasonable to expect a seller to realize that this sort of thing is a fraudulent transaction? Is the seller legally liable for participating in a transaction which he knows, or should know, is fraudulent? I was just reminded of the time when I was trying to sell a piano on ebay. I got this same bidpay/nigeria offer description.   I can understand anything, but I think a piano is little overboard.

Excuse me a moment… something seems to be tugging at my leg… Once upon a time, I was an employment counselor. A rather flamboyant job seeker came to me for assistance. He claimed to be the world’s greatest salesman, and offered as proof his long-ago sale of a $15,000 baby grand piano to a deaf woman. "And why did she buy it?" I asked patiently. "I convinced her that nothing less would be a suitable pedestal for her $100,000 Ming vase!" he replied. Last I heard, he was still looking for a job. Perhaps he found one in Nigeria.

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so in short, not only there is no way you will get scammed (as long as you wait to get cash in yoru hands), but also, you can scam the scammer, cash the MO and never sent the item/sent a box of rocks. yes? Well, the scammer probably won’t report you to the cops. But the cops may come investigating on behalf of the aggrieved credit card owner. If you try to pass yourself off as an honest merchant who just didn’t ship, they may want to get to know you bettter.

well, thats why it would be nice to ship SOMETHING. like rocks.  after all, you ARE trying to teach the thief a lesson, no? so yes, a few rocks would be appropriate I think.  plus you’ll have your proof of shipment if cops come see you.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – so in short, not only there is no way you will get scammed (as long as you wait to get cash in yoru hands), but also, you can scam the scammer, cash the MO and never sent the item/sent a box of rocks. yes? Well, the scammer probably won’t report you to the cops. But the cops may come investigating on behalf of the aggrieved credit card owner. If you try to pass yourself off as an honest merchant who just didn’t ship, they may want to get to know you bettter. well, thats why it would be nice to ship SOMETHING. like rocks.  after all, you ARE trying to teach the thief a lesson, no? so yes, a few rocks would be appropriate I think.  plus you’ll have your proof of shipment if cops come see you.

And the criminal you cheat will have your return address.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I constantly get email from buyers wanting to use Bidpay and stating they will use their own shipper to pick up the merchandise.  I smell a scam.  If I agree to accept Bidpay and wait for a check to arrive from Western Union and cash it,  Can Bidpay request the money back for any reason if I shipped the proper merchandise. The only way anyone can scam you is if you ship after receiving a fake "ORDER APPROVED" e-mail allegedly from BidPay. As long as you go to BidPay’s site to check whether a M.O. has been sent, you’ll be OK. BidPay often rejects even legit credit cards, so the chance they’ll fall for a fraud is slim – since unlike PayPal, they don’t pass along chargebacks.

so in short, not only there is no way you will get scammed (as long as you wait to get cash in yoru hands), but also, you can scam the scammer, cash the MO and never sent the item/sent a box of rocks. yes?

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so in short, not only there is no way you will get scammed (as long as you wait to get cash in yoru hands), but also, you can scam the scammer, cash the MO and never sent the item/sent a box of rocks. yes?

Well, the scammer probably won’t report you to the cops. But the cops may come investigating on behalf of the aggrieved credit card owner. If you try to pass yourself off as an honest merchant who just didn’t ship, they may want to get to know you bettter.

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My anti-virus software (McAfee) won’t open any link from that page. Looks like bidpaysuckssucks

Mine opens it with McAfee running.

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http://www.bidpaysucks.com/ A My anti-virus software (McAfee) won’t open any link from that page. Looks like bidpaysuckssucks There are no links on that page. It only loads a randomly selected popup window advertising golf clubs and shit. It’s Google bait.

I don’t get any pop-ups. My pop-up stopper doesn’t even kick in. I just get a picture of a Bidpay money order with "stop payment" stamped across it. Then there is a link at the bottom to their forums. Weird. A

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.bidpaysucks.com/ A My anti-virus software (McAfee) won’t open any link from that page. Looks like bidpaysuckssucks There are no links on that page. It only loads a randomly selected popup window advertising golf clubs and shit. It’s Google bait. I don’t get any pop-ups. My pop-up stopper doesn’t even kick in. I just get a picture of a Bidpay money order with "stop payment" stamped across it. Then there is a link at the bottom to their forums. Weird. A

Isn’t that one of the "stop payment" actions issued during their transfer to the other banking system? I can click on the link only after I disable my virus software for the page…..and get a bit of forum and a LOT of eBay listings. Kris

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http://www.bidpaysucks.com/ A My anti-virus software (McAfee) won’t open any link from that page. Looks like bidpaysuckssucks

There are no links on that page. It only loads a randomly selected popup window advertising golf clubs and shit. It’s Google bait.

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http://www.bidpaysucks.com/ A My anti-virus software (McAfee) won’t open any link from that page. Looks like bidpaysuckssucks There are no links on that page. It only loads a randomly selected popup window advertising golf clubs and shit. It’s Google bait.

There’s one link (something like "report here")….and that’s the one that set off my McAfee. It’s registered in the Philippines….probably a scammer who’s really pissed. Kris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I constantly get email from buyers wanting to use Bidpay and stating they will use their own shipper to pick up the merchandise.  I smell a scam.  If I agree to accept Bidpay and wait for a check to arrive from Western Union and cash it,  Can Bidpay request the money back for any reason if I shipped the proper merchandise. BidPay won’t ask for money back whether you ship or not. You don’t receive a check. You receive a WU money order (or U. S. recipients can have money deposited directly to their bank accounts). Either way, there’s no danger of a chargeback. The buyer does not charge a BidPay transaction to his credit card. The buyer takes a cash advance from his credit card and gives the cash to BidPay (with BidPay’s electronic help, of course). Thus, there can be no chargeback. BidPay charges a fee, of course. Many buyers fail to realize that their credit card companies may also charge a fee for a cash advance. the man was talking about a scam.   you making it sound like its not a scam. are you scamming us? :) It won’t be a scam of the seller, but of the person whose credit card has been stolen and used to pay via BidPay. The seller will get and keep his money. The scammer is after the goods. The scammers’ "own shipper" may be a real carrier paid with the same stolen card or a hijacked business account. The person who picks up the package may instead be the scammer’s accomplice. ha! okay I see now. I always wondered how these nigeria/wu scams worked.  had this been done with paypal, if someone used stolen card, the seller would get the funds but they would be taken back from his account (or account suspended until repaid) once it was discovered the card was stolen (usually meaning once the origina cardholder would complain). but if you say WU/bidpay has no way to chargeback the money paid to seller with stolen card, then the only real loser in this whole scam is the original cardholder whose funds are being for the transaction. I hope I got it right.    thats no fun to the original cardholder I know,but some more or less honest sellers will/could/may still call it a done and good deal! You got it, my little numpty! The seller needn’t even worry about negative feedback, since the disgruntled cardholder’s eBay account probably wasn’t involved in the transaction. BidPay won’t lose any money, either. Remember, it did not accept a credit card charge, so there’s nothing for the credit card company to charge back against BidPay. BidPay accepted cash from the buyer, which the buyer obtained via a cash advance from his credit card. Western Union has been facilitating illegal money transfers for decades. You can be sure it’s figured out how to protect itself. :-) wow! what are then the chances there is one of these bidpay deal offers from Nigeria that actually aren’t scams?  none?

I was just reminded of the time when I was trying to sell a piano on ebay. I got this same bidpay/nigeria offer description.   I can understand anything, but I think a piano is little overboard.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I constantly get email from buyers wanting to use Bidpay and stating they will use their own shipper to pick up the merchandise.  I smell a scam.  If I agree to accept Bidpay and wait for a check to arrive from Western Union and cash it,  Can Bidpay request the money back for any reason if I shipped the proper merchandise. BidPay won’t ask for money back whether you ship or not. You don’t receive a check. You receive a WU money order (or U. S. recipients can have money deposited directly to their bank accounts). Either way, there’s no danger of a chargeback. The buyer does not charge a BidPay transaction to his credit card. The buyer takes a cash advance from his credit card and gives the cash to BidPay (with BidPay’s electronic help, of course). Thus, there can be no chargeback. BidPay charges a fee, of course. Many buyers fail to realize that their credit card companies may also charge a fee for a cash advance. the man was talking about a scam.   you making it sound like its not a scam. are you scamming us? :) It won’t be a scam of the seller, but of the person whose credit card has been stolen and used to pay via BidPay. The seller will get and keep his money. The scammer is after the goods. The scammers’ "own shipper" may be a real carrier paid with the same stolen card or a hijacked business account. The person who picks up the package may instead be the scammer’s accomplice. ha! okay I see now. I always wondered how these nigeria/wu scams worked.  had this been done with paypal, if someone used stolen card, the seller would get the funds but they would be taken back from his account (or account suspended until repaid) once it was discovered the card was stolen (usually meaning once the origina cardholder would complain). but if you say WU/bidpay has no way to chargeback the money paid to seller with stolen card, then the only real loser in this whole scam is the original cardholder whose funds are being for the transaction. I hope I got it right.    thats no fun to the original cardholder I know,but some more or less honest sellers will/could/may still call it a done and good deal! You got it, my little numpty! The seller needn’t even worry about negative feedback, since the disgruntled cardholder’s eBay account probably wasn’t involved in the transaction. BidPay won’t lose any money, either. Remember, it did not accept a credit card charge, so there’s nothing for the credit card company to charge back against BidPay. BidPay accepted cash from the buyer, which the buyer obtained via a cash advance from his credit card. Western Union has been facilitating illegal money transfers for decades. You can be sure it’s figured out how to protect itself. :-)

wow! what are then the chances there is one of these bidpay deal offers from Nigeria that actually aren’t scams?  none?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I constantly get email from buyers wanting to use Bidpay and stating they will use their own shipper to pick up the merchandise.  I smell a scam.  If I agree to accept Bidpay and wait for a check to arrive from Western Union and cash it,  Can Bidpay request the money back for any reason if I shipped the proper merchandise. BidPay won’t ask for money back whether you ship or not. You don’t receive a check. You receive a WU money order (or U. S. recipients can have money deposited directly to their bank accounts). Either way, there’s no danger of a chargeback. The buyer does not charge a BidPay transaction to his credit card. The buyer takes a cash advance from his credit card and gives the cash to BidPay (with BidPay’s electronic help, of course). Thus, there can be no chargeback. BidPay charges a fee, of course. Many buyers fail to realize that their credit card companies may also charge a fee for a cash advance. the man was talking about a scam.   you making it sound like its not a scam. are you scamming us? :) It won’t be a scam of the seller, but of the person whose credit card has been stolen and used to pay via BidPay. The seller will get and keep his money. The scammer is after the goods. The scammers’ "own shipper" may be a real carrier paid with the same stolen card or a hijacked business account. The person who picks up the package may instead be the scammer’s accomplice. ha! okay I see now. I always wondered how these nigeria/wu scams worked.  had this been done with paypal, if someone used stolen card, the seller would get the funds but they would be taken back from his account (or account suspended until repaid) once it was discovered the card was stolen (usually meaning once the origina cardholder would complain). but if you say WU/bidpay has no way to chargeback the money paid to seller with stolen card, then the only real loser in this whole scam is the original cardholder whose funds are being for the transaction. I hope I got it right.    thats no fun to the original cardholder I know,but some more or less honest sellers will/could/may still call it a done and good deal!

You got it, my little numpty! The seller needn’t even worry about negative feedback, since the disgruntled cardholder’s eBay account probably wasn’t involved in the transaction. BidPay won’t lose any money, either. Remember, it did not accept a credit card charge, so there’s nothing for the credit card company to charge back against BidPay. BidPay accepted cash from the buyer, which the buyer obtained via a cash advance from his credit card. Western Union has been facilitating illegal money transfers for decades. You can be sure it’s figured out how to protect itself. :-)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I constantly get email from buyers wanting to use Bidpay and stating they will use their own shipper to pick up the merchandise.  I smell a scam.  If I agree to accept Bidpay and wait for a check to arrive from Western Union and cash it,  Can Bidpay request the money back for any reason if I shipped the proper merchandise. BidPay won’t ask for money back whether you ship or not. You don’t receive a check. You receive a WU money order (or U. S. recipients can have money deposited directly to their bank accounts). Either way, there’s no danger of a chargeback. The buyer does not charge a BidPay transaction to his credit card. The buyer takes a cash advance from his credit card and gives the cash to BidPay (with BidPay’s electronic help, of course). Thus, there can be no chargeback. BidPay charges a fee, of course. Many buyers fail to realize that their credit card companies may also charge a fee for a cash advance. the man was talking about a scam.   you making it sound like its not a scam. are you scamming us? :)

It won’t be a scam of the seller, but of the person whose credit card has been stolen and used to pay via BidPay. The seller will get and keep his money. The scammer is after the goods. The scammers’ "own shipper" may be a real carrier paid with the same stolen card or a hijacked business account. The person who picks up the package may instead be the scammer’s accomplice.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I constantly get email from buyers wanting to use Bidpay and stating they will use their own shipper to pick up the merchandise.  I smell a scam.  If I agree to accept Bidpay and wait for a check to arrive from Western Union and cash it,  Can Bidpay request the money back for any reason if I shipped the proper merchandise. BidPay won’t ask for money back whether you ship or not. You don’t receive a check. You receive a WU money order (or U. S. recipients can have money deposited directly to their bank accounts). Either way, there’s no danger of a chargeback. The buyer does not charge a BidPay transaction to his credit card. The buyer takes a cash advance from his credit card and gives the cash to BidPay (with BidPay’s electronic help, of course). Thus, there can be no chargeback. BidPay charges a fee, of course. Many buyers fail to realize that their credit card companies may also charge a fee for a cash advance. the man was talking about a scam.   you making it sound like its not a scam. are you scamming us? :) It won’t be a scam of the seller, but of the person whose credit card has been stolen and used to pay via BidPay. The seller will get and keep his money. The scammer is after the goods. The scammers’ "own shipper" may be a real carrier paid with the same stolen card or a hijacked business account. The person who picks up the package may instead be the scammer’s accomplice.

ha! okay I see now. I always wondered how these nigeria/wu scams worked.  had this been done with paypal, if someone used stolen card, the seller would get the funds but they would be taken back from his account (or account suspended until repaid) once it was discovered the card was stolen (usually meaning once the origina cardholder would complain). but if you say WU/bidpay has no way to chargeback the money paid to seller with stolen card, then the only real loser in this whole scam is the original cardholder whose funds are being for the transaction. I hope I got it right.    thats no fun to the original cardholder I know,but some more or less honest sellers will/could/may still call it a done and good deal!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I constantly get email from buyers wanting to use Bidpay and stating they will use their own shipper to pick up the merchandise.  I smell a scam.  If I agree to accept Bidpay and wait for a check to arrive from Western Union and cash it,  Can Bidpay request the money back for any reason if I shipped the proper merchandise. BidPay won’t ask for money back whether you ship or not. You don’t receive a check. You receive a WU money order (or U. S. recipients can have money deposited directly to their bank accounts). Either way, there’s no danger of a chargeback. The buyer does not charge a BidPay transaction to his credit card. The buyer takes a cash advance from his credit card and gives the cash to BidPay (with BidPay’s electronic help, of course). Thus, there can be no chargeback. BidPay charges a fee, of course. Many buyers fail to realize that their credit card companies may also charge a fee for a cash advance.

the man was talking about a scam.   you making it sound like its not a scam. are you scamming us? :)

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I constantly get email from buyers wanting to use Bidpay and stating they will use their own shipper to pick up the merchandise.  I smell a scam.  If I agree to accept Bidpay and wait for a check to arrive from Western Union and cash it,  Can Bidpay request the money back for any reason if I shipped the proper merchandise.

BidPay won’t ask for money back whether you ship or not. You don’t receive a check. You receive a WU money order (or U. S. recipients can have money deposited directly to their bank accounts). Either way, there’s no danger of a chargeback. The buyer does not charge a BidPay transaction to his credit card. The buyer takes a cash advance from his credit card and gives the cash to BidPay (with BidPay’s electronic help, of course). Thus, there can be no chargeback. BidPay charges a fee, of course. Many buyers fail to realize that their credit card companies may also charge a fee for a cash advance.

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I constantly get email from buyers wanting to use Bidpay and stating they will use their own shipper to pick up the merchandise.  I smell a scam.  If I agree to accept Bidpay and wait for a check to arrive from Western Union and cash it,  Can Bidpay request the money back for any reason if I shipped the proper merchandise.

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I constantly get email from buyers wanting to use Bidpay and stating they will use their own shipper to pick up the merchandise.  I smell a scam.  If I agree to accept Bidpay and wait for a check to arrive from Western Union and cash it,  Can Bidpay request the money back for any reason if I shipped the proper merchandise.

well, your sense of smell is good.  these are scams in very most of the cases. however, I do have a similar questions for all nice folks of this newsgroup (including Lumpy).   I honestly never spent a lot of time considering or thinking about the procedure, but just quickly reading through it, the guy wants it shipped to (generally) Nigeria… and wants to pay with WU… then have item picked up etc, once I cash the money order of course. so how does this scam work exactly?  at which point and on what ground (and by whom) will  I be asked/forced to return the funds. I assume that all will seem smooth upto where I cash the MO and send the marchandise. maybe if we think on this hard enough, we’ll find a way to scam the scammer. its like stealing from a thief.  "it wasn’t his to start with" hahahaha thanks.

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United States of Shame

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia <n…@newb.com> wrote in news:Xns96C9E5F665A99newbnewbcom@68.6.19.6: > Lash Rambo <l…@fakeaddr.com> wrote in news:Xns96C9D17D533B7lrfakeaddrcom@ > 68.1.17.6: >> "Ven Hawkins" <actorguy2…@yahoo.com> wrote in >> news:1126036021.429779.72020@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >>> Been here since 1987!  This is my internet, well, mine and Al Gore’s. >>> I’m taking my ball and going home! >> Oh yeah?  Well I’ve been here since 1963! > I was born in the back of an Apache Server!

Which rests on the back of an Apache Server! Which rests on the back of an Apache Server! Which rests on the back of an Apache Server! (There’s the chorus.  Anyone want to write the verses?)

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Lash Rambo <l…@fakeaddr.com> wrote in news:Xns96C9D17D533B7lrfakeaddrcom@ 68.1.17.6: > "Ven Hawkins" <actorguy2…@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:1126036021.429779.72020@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >> Been here since 1987!  This is my internet, well, mine and Al Gore’s. >> I’m taking my ball and going home! > Oh yeah?  Well I’ve been here since 1963!

I was born in the back of an Apache Server! — "You tried to scan me, you freaked-out maniac." –TV’s Frank.

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At least republicans don’t post off topic rants in inappropriate newsgroups.

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"Ven Hawkins" <actorguy2…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1126029409.935793.310390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > At least republicans don’t post off topic rants in inappropriate > newsgroups.

NIHILIST RAPPER! — "You tried to scan me, you freaked-out maniac." –TV’s Frank.

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"Ven Hawkins" <actorguy2…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1126029409.935793.310390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > At least republicans don’t post off topic rants in inappropriate > newsgroups.

I see this is your first day on Usenet!  Here’s the ball cap and t-shirt.   The line to get punched in the dick starts over there.  Have fun!

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia <n…@newb.com> wrote in news:Xns96C96AF597EE9newbnewbcom@68.6.19.6: > America is once more plunged into a snake pit of anarchy, death, > looting, raping, marauding thugs, suffering innocents, a shattered > infrastructure, a gutted police force, insufficient troop levels and > criminally negligent government planning. But this time it’s happening > in America. > W. drove his budget-cutting Chevy to the levee, and it wasn’t dry.

At least Republicans don’t drive shitty FORDS.

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia <n…@newb.com> wrote in news:Xns96C974FC087F3newbnewbcom@68.6.19.6: > "Ven Hawkins" <actorguy2…@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:1126029409.935793.310390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >> At least republicans don’t post off topic rants in inappropriate >> newsgroups. > NIHILIST RAPPER!

I’ll bet he drives a Chrysler with no XM radio.

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Lash Rambo <l…@fakeaddr.com> wrote in news:Xns96C98BD22561Clrfakeaddrcom@68.1.17.6: > "Ven Hawkins" <actorguy2…@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:1126029409.935793.310390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >> At least republicans don’t post off topic rants in inappropriate >> newsgroups. > I see this is your first day on Usenet!  Here’s the ball cap and > t-shirt.  The line to get punched in the dick starts over there.  Have > fun!

HA HA HA HA HA HA …. — "You tried to scan me, you freaked-out maniac." –TV’s Frank.

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Been here since 1987!  This is my internet, well, mine and Al Gore’s. I’m taking my ball and going home!

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"Ven Hawkins" <actorguy2…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1126036021.429779.72020@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > Been here since 1987!  This is my internet, well, mine and Al Gore’s. > I’m taking my ball and going home!

Oh yeah?  Well I’ve been here since 1963!

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> September 3, 2005 > United States of Shame > By MAUREEN DOWD > Stuff happens. > And when you combine limited government with incompetent government, > lethal stuff happens. > America is once more plunged into a snake pit of anarchy, death, looting, > raping, marauding thugs, suffering innocents, a shattered infrastructure, > a gutted police force, insufficient troop levels and criminally negligent > government planning. But this time it’s happening in America. > W. drove his budget-cutting Chevy to the levee, and it wasn’t dry. Bye, > bye, American lives. "I don’t think anyone anticipated the breach of the > levees," he told Diane Sawyer. > Shirt-sleeves rolled up, W. finally landed in Hell yesterday and chuckled > about his wild boozing days in "the great city" of N’Awlins. He was > clearly moved. "You know, I’m going to fly out of here in a minute," he > said on the runway at the New Orleans International Airport, "but I want > you to know that I’m not going to forget what I’ve seen." Out of the > cameras’ range, and avoided by W., was a convoy of thousands of sick and > dying people, some sprawled on the floor or dumped on baggage carousels > at a makeshift M*A*S*H unit inside the terminal. > Why does this self-styled "can do" president always lapse into such lame > "who could have known?" excuses. > Who on earth could have known that Osama bin Laden wanted to attack us by > flying planes into buildings? Any official who bothered to read the > trellis of pre-9/11 intelligence briefs. > Who on earth could have known that an American invasion of Iraq would > spawn a brutal insurgency, terrorist recruiting boom and possible civil > war? Any official who bothered to read the C.I.A.’s prewar reports. > Who on earth could have known that New Orleans’s sinking levees were at > risk from a strong hurricane? Anybody who bothered to read the endless > warnings over the years about the Big Easy’s uneasy fishbowl. > In June 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson > Parish, fretted to The Times-Picayune in New Orleans: "It appears that > the money has been moved in the president’s budget to handle homeland > security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay. > Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are > doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue > for us." > Not only was the money depleted by the Bush folly in Iraq; 30 percent of > the National Guard and about half its equipment are in Iraq. > Ron Fournier of The Associated Press reported that the Army Corps of > Engineers asked for $105 million for hurricane and flood programs in New > Orleans last year. The White House carved it to about $40 million. But > President Bush and Congress agreed to a $286.4 billion pork-filled > highway bill with 6,000 pet projects, including a $231 million bridge for > a small, uninhabited Alaskan island.

Um, she means uninhabited until the oil rigs people get there. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just last year, Federal Emergency Management Agency officials practiced > how they would respond to a fake hurricane that caused floods and > stranded New Orleans residents. Imagine the feeble FEMA’s response to > Katrina if they had not prepared. > Michael Brown, the blithering idiot in charge of FEMA – a job he trained > for by running something called the International Arabian Horse > Association – admitted he didn’t know until Thursday that there were > 15,000 desperate, dehydrated, hungry, angry, dying victims of Katrina in > the New Orleans Convention Center. > Was he sacked instantly? No, our tone-deaf president hailed him in > Mobile, Ala., yesterday: "Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job." > It would be one thing if President Bush and his inner circle – Dick > Cheney was vacationing in Wyoming; Condi Rice was shoe shopping at > Ferragamo’s on Fifth Avenue and attended "Spamalot" before bloggers > chased her back to Washington; and Andy Card was off in Maine – lacked > empathy but could get the job done. But it is a chilling lack of empathy > combined with a stunning lack of efficiency that could make this > administration implode. > When the president and vice president rashly shook off our allies and our > respect for international law to pursue a war built on lies, when they > sanctioned torture, they shook the faith of the world in American ideals. > When they were deaf for so long to the horrific misery and cries for help > of the victims in New Orleans – most of them poor and black, like those > stuck at the back of the evacuation line yesterday while 700 guests and > employees of the Hyatt Hotel were bused out first – they shook the faith > of all Americans in American ideals. And made us ashamed. > Who are we if we can’t take care of our own?

………….. You Go Girl.  She do tell it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> E-mail: libert…@nytimes.com > — > "You tried to scan me, you freaked-out maniac." –TV’s Frank.

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September 3, 2005 United States of Shame By MAUREEN DOWD Stuff happens. And when you combine limited government with incompetent government, lethal stuff happens. America is once more plunged into a snake pit of anarchy, death, looting, raping, marauding thugs, suffering innocents, a shattered infrastructure, a gutted police force, insufficient troop levels and criminally negligent government planning. But this time it’s happening in America. W. drove his budget-cutting Chevy to the levee, and it wasn’t dry. Bye, bye, American lives. "I don’t think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees," he told Diane Sawyer. Shirt-sleeves rolled up, W. finally landed in Hell yesterday and chuckled about his wild boozing days in "the great city" of N’Awlins. He was clearly moved. "You know, I’m going to fly out of here in a minute," he said on the runway at the New Orleans International Airport, "but I want you to know that I’m not going to forget what I’ve seen." Out of the cameras’ range, and avoided by W., was a convoy of thousands of sick and dying people, some sprawled on the floor or dumped on baggage carousels at a makeshift M*A*S*H unit inside the terminal. Why does this self-styled "can do" president always lapse into such lame "who could have known?" excuses. Who on earth could have known that Osama bin Laden wanted to attack us by flying planes into buildings? Any official who bothered to read the trellis of pre-9/11 intelligence briefs. Who on earth could have known that an American invasion of Iraq would spawn a brutal insurgency, terrorist recruiting boom and possible civil war? Any official who bothered to read the C.I.A.’s prewar reports. Who on earth could have known that New Orleans’s sinking levees were at risk from a strong hurricane? Anybody who bothered to read the endless warnings over the years about the Big Easy’s uneasy fishbowl. In June 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, fretted to The Times-Picayune in New Orleans: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president’s budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us." Not only was the money depleted by the Bush folly in Iraq; 30 percent of the National Guard and about half its equipment are in Iraq. Ron Fournier of The Associated Press reported that the Army Corps of Engineers asked for $105 million for hurricane and flood programs in New Orleans last year. The White House carved it to about $40 million. But President Bush and Congress agreed to a $286.4 billion pork-filled highway bill with 6,000 pet projects, including a $231 million bridge for a small, uninhabited Alaskan island. Just last year, Federal Emergency Management Agency officials practiced how they would respond to a fake hurricane that caused floods and stranded New Orleans residents. Imagine the feeble FEMA’s response to Katrina if they had not prepared. Michael Brown, the blithering idiot in charge of FEMA – a job he trained for by running something called the International Arabian Horse Association – admitted he didn’t know until Thursday that there were 15,000 desperate, dehydrated, hungry, angry, dying victims of Katrina in the New Orleans Convention Center. Was he sacked instantly? No, our tone-deaf president hailed him in Mobile, Ala., yesterday: "Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job." It would be one thing if President Bush and his inner circle – Dick Cheney was vacationing in Wyoming; Condi Rice was shoe shopping at Ferragamo’s on Fifth Avenue and attended "Spamalot" before bloggers chased her back to Washington; and Andy Card was off in Maine – lacked empathy but could get the job done. But it is a chilling lack of empathy combined with a stunning lack of efficiency that could make this administration implode. When the president and vice president rashly shook off our allies and our respect for international law to pursue a war built on lies, when they sanctioned torture, they shook the faith of the world in American ideals. When they were deaf for so long to the horrific misery and cries for help of the victims in New Orleans – most of them poor and black, like those stuck at the back of the evacuation line yesterday while 700 guests and employees of the Hyatt Hotel were bused out first – they shook the faith of all Americans in American ideals. And made us ashamed. Who are we if we can’t take care of our own? E-mail: libert…@nytimes.com — "You tried to scan me, you freaked-out maniac." –TV’s Frank.

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United States of Shame

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I have a CD by "Worm Quartet" which has a song on it called "I want to poop in Diane Sawyer’s Mailbox". OTS "Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia" <n…@newb.com> wrote in message news:Xns96C96F167CE9Anewbnewbcom@68.6.19.6… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> September 3, 2005 > United States of Shame > By MAUREEN DOWD > Stuff happens. > And when you combine limited government with incompetent government, > lethal stuff happens. > America is once more plunged into a snake pit of anarchy, death, looting, > raping, marauding thugs, suffering innocents, a shattered infrastructure, > a gutted police force, insufficient troop levels and criminally negligent > government planning. But this time it’s happening in America. > W. drove his budget-cutting Chevy to the levee, and it wasn’t dry. Bye, > bye, American lives. "I don’t think anyone anticipated the breach of the > levees," he told Diane Sawyer. > Shirt-sleeves rolled up, W. finally landed in Hell yesterday and chuckled > about his wild boozing days in "the great city" of N’Awlins. He was > clearly moved. "You know, I’m going to fly out of here in a minute," he > said on the runway at the New Orleans International Airport, "but I want > you to know that I’m not going to forget what I’ve seen." Out of the > cameras’ range, and avoided by W., was a convoy of thousands of sick and > dying people, some sprawled on the floor or dumped on baggage carousels > at a makeshift M*A*S*H unit inside the terminal. > Why does this self-styled "can do" president always lapse into such lame > "who could have known?" excuses. > Who on earth could have known that Osama bin Laden wanted to attack us by > flying planes into buildings? Any official who bothered to read the > trellis of pre-9/11 intelligence briefs. > Who on earth could have known that an American invasion of Iraq would > spawn a brutal insurgency, terrorist recruiting boom and possible civil > war? Any official who bothered to read the C.I.A.’s prewar reports. > Who on earth could have known that New Orleans’s sinking levees were at > risk from a strong hurricane? Anybody who bothered to read the endless > warnings over the years about the Big Easy’s uneasy fishbowl. > In June 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson > Parish, fretted to The Times-Picayune in New Orleans: "It appears that > the money has been moved in the president’s budget to handle homeland > security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay. > Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are > doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue > for us." > Not only was the money depleted by the Bush folly in Iraq; 30 percent of > the National Guard and about half its equipment are in Iraq. > Ron Fournier of The Associated Press reported that the Army Corps of > Engineers asked for $105 million for hurricane and flood programs in New > Orleans last year. The White House carved it to about $40 million. But > President Bush and Congress agreed to a $286.4 billion pork-filled > highway bill with 6,000 pet projects, including a $231 million bridge for > a small, uninhabited Alaskan island. > Just last year, Federal Emergency Management Agency officials practiced > how they would respond to a fake hurricane that caused floods and > stranded New Orleans residents. Imagine the feeble FEMA’s response to > Katrina if they had not prepared. > Michael Brown, the blithering idiot in charge of FEMA – a job he trained > for by running something called the International Arabian Horse > Association – admitted he didn’t know until Thursday that there were > 15,000 desperate, dehydrated, hungry, angry, dying victims of Katrina in > the New Orleans Convention Center. > Was he sacked instantly? No, our tone-deaf president hailed him in > Mobile, Ala., yesterday: "Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job." > It would be one thing if President Bush and his inner circle – Dick > Cheney was vacationing in Wyoming; Condi Rice was shoe shopping at > Ferragamo’s on Fifth Avenue and attended "Spamalot" before bloggers > chased her back to Washington; and Andy Card was off in Maine – lacked > empathy but could get the job done. But it is a chilling lack of empathy > combined with a stunning lack of efficiency that could make this > administration implode. > When the president and vice president rashly shook off our allies and our > respect for international law to pursue a war built on lies, when they > sanctioned torture, they shook the faith of the world in American ideals. > When they were deaf for so long to the horrific misery and cries for help > of the victims in New Orleans – most of them poor and black, like those > stuck at the back of the evacuation line yesterday while 700 guests and > employees of the Hyatt Hotel were bused out first – they shook the faith > of all Americans in American ideals. And made us ashamed. > Who are we if we can’t take care of our own? > — > "You tried to scan me, you freaked-out maniac." –TV’s Frank.

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September 3, 2005 United States of Shame By MAUREEN DOWD Stuff happens. And when you combine limited government with incompetent government, lethal stuff happens. America is once more plunged into a snake pit of anarchy, death, looting, raping, marauding thugs, suffering innocents, a shattered infrastructure, a gutted police force, insufficient troop levels and criminally negligent government planning. But this time it’s happening in America. W. drove his budget-cutting Chevy to the levee, and it wasn’t dry. Bye, bye, American lives. "I don’t think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees," he told Diane Sawyer. Shirt-sleeves rolled up, W. finally landed in Hell yesterday and chuckled about his wild boozing days in "the great city" of N’Awlins. He was clearly moved. "You know, I’m going to fly out of here in a minute," he said on the runway at the New Orleans International Airport, "but I want you to know that I’m not going to forget what I’ve seen." Out of the cameras’ range, and avoided by W., was a convoy of thousands of sick and dying people, some sprawled on the floor or dumped on baggage carousels at a makeshift M*A*S*H unit inside the terminal. Why does this self-styled "can do" president always lapse into such lame "who could have known?" excuses. Who on earth could have known that Osama bin Laden wanted to attack us by flying planes into buildings? Any official who bothered to read the trellis of pre-9/11 intelligence briefs. Who on earth could have known that an American invasion of Iraq would spawn a brutal insurgency, terrorist recruiting boom and possible civil war? Any official who bothered to read the C.I.A.’s prewar reports. Who on earth could have known that New Orleans’s sinking levees were at risk from a strong hurricane? Anybody who bothered to read the endless warnings over the years about the Big Easy’s uneasy fishbowl. In June 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, fretted to The Times-Picayune in New Orleans: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president’s budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us." Not only was the money depleted by the Bush folly in Iraq; 30 percent of the National Guard and about half its equipment are in Iraq. Ron Fournier of The Associated Press reported that the Army Corps of Engineers asked for $105 million for hurricane and flood programs in New Orleans last year. The White House carved it to about $40 million. But President Bush and Congress agreed to a $286.4 billion pork-filled highway bill with 6,000 pet projects, including a $231 million bridge for a small, uninhabited Alaskan island. Just last year, Federal Emergency Management Agency officials practiced how they would respond to a fake hurricane that caused floods and stranded New Orleans residents. Imagine the feeble FEMA’s response to Katrina if they had not prepared. Michael Brown, the blithering idiot in charge of FEMA – a job he trained for by running something called the International Arabian Horse Association – admitted he didn’t know until Thursday that there were 15,000 desperate, dehydrated, hungry, angry, dying victims of Katrina in the New Orleans Convention Center. Was he sacked instantly? No, our tone-deaf president hailed him in Mobile, Ala., yesterday: "Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job." It would be one thing if President Bush and his inner circle – Dick Cheney was vacationing in Wyoming; Condi Rice was shoe shopping at Ferragamo’s on Fifth Avenue and attended "Spamalot" before bloggers chased her back to Washington; and Andy Card was off in Maine – lacked empathy but could get the job done. But it is a chilling lack of empathy combined with a stunning lack of efficiency that could make this administration implode. When the president and vice president rashly shook off our allies and our respect for international law to pursue a war built on lies, when they sanctioned torture, they shook the faith of the world in American ideals. When they were deaf for so long to the horrific misery and cries for help of the victims in New Orleans – most of them poor and black, like those stuck at the back of the evacuation line yesterday while 700 guests and employees of the Hyatt Hotel were bused out first – they shook the faith of all Americans in American ideals. And made us ashamed. Who are we if we can’t take care of our own? — "You tried to scan me, you freaked-out maniac." –TV’s Frank.

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(OT) United States of Shame

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And contrary to L’s prediction, unfortunately, I still haven’t heard from or about my brother, his wife, their three daughters, their daughters’ husbands and their daughters’ children.  We saw pictures of their homes and the roofs of their houses were barely visible. It’s possible we were looking at their watery graves!  At this point they can no longer identify bodies of the victims of the flood – they’ve been under water for too long.  They can only identify the bodies with DNA evidence – and all hairbrushes and toothbrushes are still 25 feet under water. Hugs, CatNipped I do hope that by some miracle your brother and his family survived. You mentioned your mother before, have you had any contact from her? Yes, thank God.  I never was (and am still unable) to get in touch with any of my family by cell phone – I get an automated recording saying the circuits are all busy, but it could be that the cell phone companies have lost broadcasting equipment in the area.  And, of course, all land lines are down.  But she finally got in touch with me last Wednesday to say that they (my mother, my eldest brother, his wife, their son and daughter, their daughter’s husband and their three grandchildren) were all in a couple of hotel rooms in Marksville, LA.  They have since rented a house in that area. I hesitate to do this (given what the trolls on the cats groups have done in the past), but at this point I think the question of potential harm is moot. So, if anyone sees the names David Reeves, Annie Reeves, Matthew Chiasson, or Tina Chiasson (the rest of the family will be with one of those couples) – all from Chalmette, LA (St. Bernard Parish) – on any "survivors" lists, please, please let me know. I also have not been able to get in touch with my best friend of 45 years, Diane Maltese from Mandeville, LA, or any of her family. I’m refusing to give up hope – we keep telling ourselves that the massive confusion is the cause of the terrible silence from them, but that gets harder to do with each passing day.

Hugs, purrs, and hopefully information for anyone in this terrible situation: Via The American Red Cross. [snip] The American Red Cross, with support of the worldwide Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement, is launching a Web site to help assist family members who are seeking news about loved ones living in the path of Hurricane Katrina. Visit the

Stray kitty

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you call the vet to see her now and to pay later? Keep us posted. Sincerely, Je I’m gonna try.  But I don’t have a car to take her to the vet anyway. My husband is off on some Saturdays and that’s the best I can do.  She’s hanging around and i’m going out every 1/2 hour to check on her.  She runs when she hears my voice – it’s so sweet.  If nothing else, this cat will be well loved.  Fed and loved.  It’s better than nothing, right? I hope you’re giving her some wet food. It might be easier for her to digest.

I don’t have a car to get to the store to get her wet food.  I thought of it, but I only have dry.  In any case, I was also thinking that she might have problems digesting the wet food.  Would it be too rich for her? kili

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad for my husband and I heard this faint cry.  I thought it was my little Chloe-girl caught in the bathroom cabinet again.  I wandered in there, but nope, the cry grew fainter.  I walked back into the kitchen and opened the door and there this little pitiful thing sat.   So grossly skinny that my heart immediately went to her.  How could it not? She’s got such gorgeous light blue eyes and she’s almost pure white; hard to tell with all the dirt and fleas she’s got on her. I’m going to keep feeding her, make sure she stays around and then we’re going to get vet help for her.  It looks like she’s already had kittens, so she needs to be spayed, shots, etc.  I have advantage for her fleas, but she’s so skinny that I really don’t want to put it on her yet – she can’t weigh more than 2 pounds!  If even! I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili Oh, P.S. pix are posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals until I can make a website. I would start with a flea bath at least and if you want to keep her around you should put her someplace inside like a garage or utility room prehaps to keep her from wandering away. She doesn’t have a garage.  She has a storage shed in the back yard but it’s very hot in Florida so shutting her in there is probably not a great idea. Jill Yeah, the metal storage sheds are worse than the poor kitty being outside. Until I can even think about affording the poor kitty a vet trip, at least she’s eating and drinking a LOT of water.  She’s on her 5th bowl of food in less than 24 hours and her 4th bowl of water.  She’s just so sweet. kili Please remember to feed very small meals often.  A couple of tablespoons every two or three hours, something like that.  Animals who have been starved – as she obviously has – will gorge and gorge if allowed to (and it’s tempting to give it to them, too)  but it’s bad for them.   Little and often is the key until her stomach gets used to food again. As she is white with blue eyes, have you tested to see if she is deaf? I could not have resisted her either.  I would call her Fortune. Tweed

She’s definitely not deaf; she runs to me when she hears my voice.  It seems like she only eats when I go outside and call to her – she’s hiding in the shadows.  So, I go outside every 1/2 hour and call to her and she eats and drinks each time.  I’m thinking she’s going to hang out.  Yay!  Fortune, I kind of like that name.  I’ll test it out.  Thanks. kili

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad for my husband and I heard this faint cry.  I thought it was my little Chloe-girl caught in the bathroom cabinet again.  I wandered in there, but nope, the cry grew fainter.  I walked back into the kitchen and opened the door and there this little pitiful thing sat.   So grossly skinny that my heart immediately went to her.  How could it not? She’s got such gorgeous light blue eyes and she’s almost pure white; hard to tell with all the dirt and fleas she’s got on her. I’m going to keep feeding her, make sure she stays around and then we’re going to get vet help for her.  It looks like she’s already had kittens, so she needs to be spayed, shots, etc.  I have advantage for her fleas, but she’s so skinny that I really don’t want to put it on her yet – she can’t weigh more than 2 pounds!  If even! I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili Oh, P.S. pix are posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals until I can make a website. I would start with a flea bath at least and if you want to keep her around you should put her someplace inside like a garage or utility room prehaps to keep her from wandering away. She doesn’t have a garage.  She has a storage shed in the back yard but it’s very hot in Florida so shutting her in there is probably not a great idea. Jill Maybe a basement or second bath??  An enclosure of some kind that she can put it in on the porch or a closed in porch?  I gave mine a flea bath then put them in the bathroom with the door closed until I could get them to vet the next day. I am not complaining about the way they are doing it but I am a die hard cat lover and hate to think of it wandering away again.  I hope everything works out ok for them and the stray. I had a look at the photo on abpa.  The poor cat has obviously seen many more mealtimes than meals so I would think it unlikely that she will wander off from this wonderful restaurant she has just discovered. I wouldn’t shut her up anyway, just in case she has her kittens nearby. Tweed

Her nipples are dried up, so she’s been kitten-less for a while.  I honestly don’t think she’s had a meal since her kittens have been gone.  God is she pitiful.  I just LOVE her.  I’m trying to call the vet now to see if we can work out a deal. kili

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad for my husband and I heard this faint cry.  I thought it was my little Chloe-girl caught in the bathroom cabinet again.  I wandered in there, but nope, the cry grew fainter.  I walked back into the kitchen and opened the door and there this little pitiful thing sat.   So grossly skinny that my heart immediately went to her.  How could it not? She’s got such gorgeous light blue eyes and she’s almost pure white; hard to tell with all the dirt and fleas she’s got on her. I’m going to keep feeding her, make sure she stays around and then we’re going to get vet help for her.  It looks like she’s already had kittens, so she needs to be spayed, shots, etc.  I have advantage for her fleas, but she’s so skinny that I really don’t want to put it on her yet – she can’t weigh more than 2 pounds!  If even! I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili Oh, P.S. pix are posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals until I can make a website. I would start with a flea bath at least and if you want to keep her around you should put her someplace inside like a garage or utility room prehaps to keep her from wandering away. She doesn’t have a garage.  She has a storage shed in the back yard but it’s very hot in Florida so shutting her in there is probably not a great idea. Jill Yeah, the metal storage sheds are worse than the poor kitty being outside. Until I can even think about affording the poor kitty a vet trip, at least she’s eating and drinking a LOT of water.  She’s on her 5th bowl of food in less than 24 hours and her 4th bowl of water.  She’s just so sweet. kili

Please remember to feed very small meals often.  A couple of tablespoons every two or three hours, something like that.  Animals who have been starved – as she obviously has – will gorge and gorge if allowed to (and it’s tempting to give it to them, too)  but it’s bad for them.   Little and often is the key until her stomach gets used to food again. As she is white with blue eyes, have you tested to see if she is deaf? I could not have resisted her either.  I would call her Fortune. Tweed

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It’s clear from the pics that she’s a very good girl and very beautiful. When she fills out she will be utterly gorgeous, your pride and joy. She came to you… for keeps.

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It’s clear from the pics that she’s a very good girl and very beautiful. When she fills out she will be utterly gorgeous, your pride and joy. She came to you… for keeps.

That’s what I think too, Pat.  Thanks for the support.  I’m doing the best that I can.  I don’t have a garage or utility room.  All I have is an 800 Square foot two bedroom, one bathroom house.  It’s an exact square.  That’s it. kili

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad for my husband and I heard this faint cry.  I thought it was my little Chloe-girl caught in the bathroom cabinet again.  I wandered in there, but nope, the cry grew fainter.  I walked back into the kitchen and opened the door and there this little pitiful thing sat.   So grossly skinny that my heart immediately went to her.  How could it not? She’s got such gorgeous light blue eyes and she’s almost pure white; hard to tell with all the dirt and fleas she’s got on her. I’m going to keep feeding her, make sure she stays around and then we’re going to get vet help for her.  It looks like she’s already had kittens, so she needs to be spayed, shots, etc.  I have advantage for her fleas, but she’s so skinny that I really don’t want to put it on her yet – she can’t weigh more than 2 pounds!  If even! I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili Oh, P.S. pix are posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals until I can make a website. I would start with a flea bath at least and if you want to keep her around you should put her someplace inside like a garage or utility room prehaps to keep her from wandering away. She doesn’t have a garage.  She has a storage shed in the back yard but it’s very hot in Florida so shutting her in there is probably not a great idea. Jill

Yeah, the metal storage sheds are worse than the poor kitty being outside. Until I can even think about affording the poor kitty a vet trip, at least she’s eating and drinking a LOT of water.  She’s on her 5th bowl of food in less than 24 hours and her 4th bowl of water.  She’s just so sweet. kili

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I am so happy she found an open door and heart!  Much love to all of you! Someone correct me if I am wrong–if she has lots of fleas–wouldn’t it be healthier to put the advantage on vs. not? Awwwwwwww Sincerely, Jen P.S.  I couldn’t get the link for the pictures to work–hhmm.

I’d like to give her Advantage, but I just don’t think she’s strong enough for it. She’s almost a year old and must weigh under 2 pounds.  I want to put some meat on her before I give her drugs that kill things.  Trust me, this is breaking my heart, but she can hardly hold herself up to eat.  She wobbles.  I’m gonna just wait for now. kili

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad for my husband and I heard this faint cry.  I thought it was my little Chloe-girl caught in the bathroom cabinet again.  I wandered in there, but nope, the cry grew fainter.  I walked back into the kitchen and opened the door and there this little pitiful thing sat.   So grossly skinny that my heart immediately went to her.  How could it not? She’s got such gorgeous light blue eyes and she’s almost pure white; hard to tell with all the dirt and fleas she’s got on her. I’m going to keep feeding her, make sure she stays around and then we’re going to get vet help for her.  It looks like she’s already had kittens, so she needs to be spayed, shots, etc.  I have advantage for her fleas, but she’s so skinny that I really don’t want to put it on her yet – she can’t weigh more than 2 pounds!  If even! I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili Oh, P.S. pix are posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals until I can make a website. I would start with a flea bath at least and if you want to keep her around you should put her someplace inside like a garage or utility room prehaps to keep her from wandering away. She doesn’t have a garage.  She has a storage shed in the back yard but it’s very hot in Florida so shutting her in there is probably not a great idea. Jill I’m pretty certain food and attention will be enough as bad as that baby looks. I do hope she sees a vet soon. If she could rule out the bad diseases she could take her inside.

I’ll take her inside as soon as I can.  We’re just extremely financially challenged.  If I could take her to a vet today, I would, but my husband has been to the hospital about a hand injury and he’s our only sole source of income. kili

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad for my husband and I heard this faint cry.  I thought it was my little Chloe-girl caught in the bathroom cabinet again.  I wandered in there, but nope, the cry grew fainter.  I walked back into the kitchen and opened the door and there this little pitiful thing sat.   So grossly skinny that my heart immediately went to her.  How could it not? She’s got such gorgeous light blue eyes and she’s almost pure white; hard to tell with all the dirt and fleas she’s got on her. I’m going to keep feeding her, make sure she stays around and then we’re going to get vet help for her.  It looks like she’s already had kittens, so she needs to be spayed, shots, etc.  I have advantage for her fleas, but she’s so skinny that I really don’t want to put it on her yet – she can’t weigh more than 2 pounds!  If even! I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili Oh, P.S. pix are posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals until I can make a website. I would start with a flea bath at least and if you want to keep her around you should put her someplace inside like a garage or utility room prehaps to keep her from wandering away. She doesn’t have a garage.  She has a storage shed in the back yard but it’s very hot in Florida so shutting her in there is probably not a great idea. Jill Maybe a basement or second bath??  An enclosure of some kind that she can put it in on the porch or a closed in porch?  I gave mine a flea bath then put them in the bathroom with the door closed until I could get them to vet the next day. I am not complaining about the way they are doing it but I am a die hard cat lover and hate to think of it wandering away again.  I hope everything works out ok for them and the stray.

I had a look at the photo on abpa.  The poor cat has obviously seen many more mealtimes than meals so I would think it unlikely that she will wander off from this wonderful restaurant she has just discovered. I wouldn’t shut her up anyway, just in case she has her kittens nearby. Tweed

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Can you call the vet to see her now and to pay later? Keep us posted. Sincerely, Je I’m gonna try.  But I don’t have a car to take her to the vet anyway.  My husband is off on some Saturdays and that’s the best I can do.  She’s hanging around and i’m going out every 1/2 hour to check on her.  She runs when she hears my voice – it’s so sweet.  If nothing else, this cat will be well loved.  Fed and loved.  It’s better than nothing, right?

I hope you’re giving her some wet food. It might be easier for her to digest.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad for my husband and I heard this faint cry.  I thought it was my little Chloe-girl caught in the bathroom cabinet again.  I wandered in there, but nope, the cry grew fainter.  I walked back into the kitchen and opened the door and there this little pitiful thing sat.   So grossly skinny that my heart immediately went to her.  How could it not? She’s got such gorgeous light blue eyes and she’s almost pure white; hard to tell with all the dirt and fleas she’s got on her. I’m going to keep feeding her, make sure she stays around and then we’re going to get vet help for her.  It looks like she’s already had kittens, so she needs to be spayed, shots, etc.  I have advantage for her fleas, but she’s so skinny that I really don’t want to put it on her yet – she can’t weigh more than 2 pounds!  If even! I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili Oh, P.S. pix are posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals until I can make a website. I would start with a flea bath at least and if you want to keep her around you should put her someplace inside like a garage or utility room prehaps to keep her from wandering away.

I don’t have a garage or a utility room.  I live in an 800 square foot house.   Period.  That’s it.  I already have two cats, but I can’t turn her away.  It’s not fair to her.  She needs a chance. kili

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Much love and healing to all of you! Can you call the vet to see her now and to pay later? Keep us posted. Sincerely, Je

I’m gonna try.  But I don’t have a car to take her to the vet anyway.  My husband is off on some Saturdays and that’s the best I can do.  She’s hanging around and i’m going out every 1/2 hour to check on her.  She runs when she hears my voice – it’s so sweet.  If nothing else, this cat will be well loved.  Fed and loved.  It’s better than nothing, right? kili

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad for my husband and I heard this faint cry.  I thought it was my little Chloe-girl caught in the bathroom cabinet again.  I wandered in there, but nope, the cry grew fainter.  I walked back into the kitchen and opened the door and there this little pitiful thing sat.   So grossly skinny that my heart immediately went to her.  How could it not? She’s got such gorgeous light blue eyes and she’s almost pure white; hard to tell with all the dirt and fleas she’s got on her. I’m going to keep feeding her, make sure she stays around and then we’re going to get vet help for her.  It looks like she’s already had kittens, so she needs to be spayed, shots, etc.  I have advantage for her fleas, but she’s so skinny that I really don’t want to put it on her yet – she can’t weigh more than 2 pounds!  If even! I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili Oh, P.S. pix are posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals until I can make a website. Poor scruffy sweetie!  She will be a beautiful cat when she’s fattened up. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

I think she’s going to be the most beautiful cat, ever!  Thanks, Theresa! kili

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She showed up on my doorstep yesterday. I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili I would start with a flea bath at least and if you want to keep her around you should put her someplace inside like a garage or utility room prehaps to keep her from wandering away. She doesn’t have a garage.  She has a storage shed in the back yard but it’s very hot in Florida so shutting her in there is probably not a great idea. Maybe a basement or second bath??  An enclosure of some kind that she can put it in on the porch or a closed in porch?  I gave mine a flea bath then put them in the bathroom with the door closed until I could get them to vet the next day. Only one bathroom in the place (kili is one of my best cyber-friends) and no basement.  They already adopted two strays that were in the back yard, a brother and sister, Tyrone and Chloe.  Others adopted the others (thank goodness)… I don’t remember what happened to mama-cat. I am not complaining about the way they are doing it but I am a die hard cat lover and hate to think of it wandering away again.  I hope everything works out ok for them and the stray. I hope so, too.  We think the cat was dumped because the previous owner was irresponsible enough to not spay her so she got pregnant and they didn’t want to deal with it.  The only reason we think this is she’s willing to be held so she’s not purely feral.  Sadly, we have no idea what happened to the kittens :( Jill

Thanks for the support, Jill.  I’m doing the best I can.  At least she’s getting attention, food and water now, which is more than I can say for the past month of her life. kili

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Much love and healing to all of you! Can you call the vet to see her now and to pay later? Keep us posted. Sincerely, Je It’s clear from the pics that she’s a very good girl and very beautiful. When she fills out she will be utterly gorgeous, your pride and joy. She came to you… for keeps. That’s what I think too, Pat.  Thanks for the support.  I’m doing the best that I can.  I don’t have a garage or utility room.  All I have is an 800 Square foot two bedroom, one bathroom house.  It’s an exact square.  That’s it. kili

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She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad for my husband and I heard this faint cry.  I thought it was my little Chloe-girl caught in the bathroom cabinet again.  I wandered in there, but nope, the cry grew fainter.  I walked back into the kitchen and opened the door and there this little pitiful thing sat.   So grossly skinny that my heart immediately went to her.  How could it not? She’s got such gorgeous light blue eyes and she’s almost pure white; hard to tell with all the dirt and fleas she’s got on her. I’m going to keep feeding her, make sure she stays around and then we’re going to get vet help for her.  It looks like she’s already had kittens, so she needs to be spayed, shots, etc.  I have advantage for her fleas, but she’s so skinny that I really don’t want to put it on her yet – she can’t weigh more than 2 pounds!  If even! I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili Oh, P.S. pix are posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals until I can make a website.

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<snip I need a name for her…….any suggestions?

Cinderella – Cindy for short. There’s great beauty under all that grime. All she needs is a fairy godmother (you), a pumpkin, some mice etc. dunno ’bout the glass slippers tho… :) — Christine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) gmail (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 photos: http://community.webshots.com/user/chkr63

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<snip I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Cinderella – Cindy for short. There’s great beauty under all that grime. All she needs is a fairy godmother (you), a pumpkin, some mice etc. dunno ’bout the glass slippers tho… :)

I like it!  I’d call her Cinders for short, though.  I’ve seen pics of this white (well, we think so!) kitty.  She’s a cutie for sure! Jill

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad for my husband and I heard this faint cry.  I thought it was my little Chloe-girl caught in the bathroom cabinet again.  I wandered in there, but nope, the cry grew fainter.  I walked back into the kitchen and opened the door and there this little pitiful thing sat.   So grossly skinny that my heart immediately went to her.  How could it not? She’s got such gorgeous light blue eyes and she’s almost pure white; hard to tell with all the dirt and fleas she’s got on her. I’m going to keep feeding her, make sure she stays around and then we’re going to get vet help for her.  It looks like she’s already had kittens, so she needs to be spayed, shots, etc.  I have advantage for her fleas, but she’s so skinny that I really don’t want to put it on her yet – she can’t weigh more than 2 pounds!  If even! I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili Oh, P.S. pix are posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals until I can make a website. I would start with a flea bath at least and if you want to keep her around you should put her someplace inside like a garage or utility room prehaps to keep her from wandering away.

She doesn’t have a garage.  She has a storage shed in the back yard but it’s very hot in Florida so shutting her in there is probably not a great idea. Jill

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I am so happy she found an open door and heart!  Much love to all of you! Someone correct me if I am wrong–if she has lots of fleas–wouldn’t it be healthier to put the advantage on vs. not? Awwwwwwww Sincerely, Jen P.S.  I couldn’t get the link for the pictures to work–hhmm. She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] around you should put her someplace inside like a garage or utility room prehaps to keep her from wandering away. She doesn’t have a garage.  She has a storage shed in the back yard but it’s very hot in Florida so shutting her in there is probably not a great idea. Jill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad for my husband and I heard this faint cry.  I thought it was my little Chloe-girl caught in the bathroom cabinet again.  I wandered in there, but nope, the cry grew fainter.  I walked back into the kitchen and opened the door and there this little pitiful thing sat.   So grossly skinny that my heart immediately went to her.  How could it not? She’s got such gorgeous light blue eyes and she’s almost pure white; hard to tell with all the dirt and fleas she’s got on her. I’m going to keep feeding her, make sure she stays around and then we’re going to get vet help for her.  It looks like she’s already had kittens, so she needs to be spayed, shots, etc.  I have advantage for her fleas, but she’s so skinny that I really don’t want to put it on her yet – she can’t weigh more than 2 pounds!  If even! I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili Oh, P.S. pix are posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals until I can make a website. I would start with a flea bath at least and if you want to keep her around you should put her someplace inside like a garage or utility room prehaps to keep her from wandering away. She doesn’t have a garage.  She has a storage shed in the back yard but it’s very hot in Florida so shutting her in there is probably not a great idea. Jill

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad for my husband and I heard this faint cry.  I thought it was my little Chloe-girl caught in the bathroom cabinet again.  I wandered in there, but nope, the cry grew fainter.  I walked back into the kitchen and opened the door and there this little pitiful thing sat.   So grossly skinny that my heart immediately went to her.  How could it not? She’s got such gorgeous light blue eyes and she’s almost pure white; hard to tell with all the dirt and fleas she’s got on her. I’m going to keep feeding her, make sure she stays around and then we’re going to get vet help for her.  It looks like she’s already had kittens, so she needs to be spayed, shots, etc.  I have advantage for her fleas, but she’s so skinny that I really don’t want to put it on her yet – she can’t weigh more than 2 pounds!  If even! I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili Oh, P.S. pix are posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals until I can make a website. I would start with a flea bath at least and if you want to keep her around you should put her someplace inside like a garage or utility room prehaps to keep her from wandering away. She doesn’t have a garage.  She has a storage shed in the back yard but it’s very hot in Florida so shutting her in there is probably not a great idea. Jill

Maybe a basement or second bath??  An enclosure of some kind that she can put it in on the porch or a closed in porch?  I gave mine a flea bath then put them in the bathroom with the door closed until I could get them to vet the next day. I am not complaining about the way they are doing it but I am a die hard cat lover and hate to think of it wandering away again.  I hope everything works out ok for them and the stray. http://users.ameritech.net/lestark/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -She showed up on my doorstep yesterday.  I was in the kitchen making a salad for my husband and I heard this faint cry.  I thought it was my little Chloe-girl caught in the bathroom cabinet again.  I wandered in there, but nope, the cry grew fainter.  I walked back into the kitchen and opened the door and there this little pitiful thing sat.   So grossly skinny that my heart immediately went to her.  How could it not? She’s got such gorgeous light blue eyes and she’s almost pure white; hard to tell with all the dirt and fleas she’s got on her. I’m going to keep feeding her, make sure she stays around and then we’re going to get vet help for her.  It looks like she’s already had kittens, so she needs to be spayed, shots, etc.  I have advantage for her fleas, but she’s so skinny that I really don’t want to put it on her yet – she can’t weigh more than 2 pounds!  If even! I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili Oh, P.S. pix are posted on alt.binaries.pictures.animals until I can make a website.

Poor scruffy sweetie!  She will be a beautiful cat when she’s fattened up.   Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She showed up on my doorstep yesterday. I need a name for her…….any suggestions? Like all we need is another cat, we can’t afford the two we have, but how can I not help her?  Don’t sigh, you’d all do the same! kili I would start with a flea bath at least and if you want to keep her around you should put her someplace inside like a garage or utility room prehaps to keep her from wandering away. She doesn’t have a garage.  She has a storage shed in the back yard but it’s very hot in Florida so shutting her in there is probably not a great idea. Maybe a basement or second bath??  An enclosure of some kind that she can put it in on the porch or a closed in porch?  I gave mine a flea bath then put them in the bathroom with the door closed until I could get them to vet the next day.

Only one bathroom in the place (kili is one of my best cyber-friends) and no basement.  They already adopted two strays that were in the back yard, a brother and sister, Tyrone and Chloe.  Others adopted the others (thank goodness)… I don’t remember what happened to mama-cat. I am not complaining about the way they are doing it but I am a die hard cat lover and hate to think of it wandering away again.  I hope everything works out ok for them and the stray.

I hope so, too.  We think the cat was dumped because the previous owner was irresponsible enough to not spay her so she got pregnant and they didn’t want to deal with it.  The only reason we think this is she’s willing to be held so she’s not purely feral.  Sadly, we have no idea what happened to the kittens :( Jill

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Hi, Deirdre, Is it possible to call and say you will try to make it?  That way there is no commitment for you to attend.  Another thing I have found helpful in the past is if I am anxious I will at least go to the parking lot of the event. There I can weigh my odds of attending.  If still wanting to attend and not sure I would enter the building/site and go directly to the restroom. Usually, once I was in there I could deep breathe and dissipate much of the AA. Let us know what you decide to do… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear All, This coming Wednesday evening I will have the opportunity to join a small group of people in a public, peaceful, political event. I want to be there so much! But I’m already sweating and nervous, and I haven’t even signed up yet. EVERY time in the last 10 years or so when I’ve signed up to join groups for any purpose or enjoy some entertainment in public (alone), at the last minute I can’t make myself go. I used to make such good excuses, even I believed them. Now that I know it’s anxiety, I’m still more likely to feel relieved that I don’t have to  _fabricate_ a reason for not going, than go through a therapeutic process that could enable me to go. I want to blame myself for laziness in not choosing the self-help option, and then I get frustrated over the knowledge that I’m blaming myself for a disorder. I feel caught in a cycle and it pisses me off in the extreme. I need help here, gang. I can’t remember what to do! What am I supposed to do? Deirdre, begging. http://home.earthlink.net/~deirdre1952/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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<Gently snipped ::I need help here, gang. I can’t remember what to do! What am I supposed to ::do? ::Deirdre, begging. Dear Deirdre, The only way to break the cycle is to push the envelope. You mention really yourself permission to decide a few hours before, if you really will be going. I found when I did this, it removed the pressure that causes anticipatory anxiety. It really helps to know that "you" are always in control and can say yes or no at any point. One of the best things my psychologist taught me during CBT was to have "outs" whenever I was going to attempt something that was anxiety-provoking. Whenever I would start to feel anxious, I would remind myself that at any time, I could retreat or even leave. It`s that feeling of being trapped that makes our anxiety soar. Go to this event… but know that at any time you can turn around and go home. You are not trapped into staying, you can stay for one hour or the entire thing. You are in complete control! It`s important to remember that often times anticipatory anxiety is worse than the actual event. I bet you`ll have a better time than you think. Some suggestions, make a copy of the anxiety reducing techniques I post and bring them in your purse. If you start to feel anxious, read them. Make a comfort bag of things that will help keep you calm or soothe you, like comfort candy, bottled water, a cell phone, etc. Imagine everyone at ASAPM cheering you on :) Good luck and remember, we are behind you either way. (((((Deirdre))))) jackie ~*~My greatest fear is there is no such thing as PMS and this is really my personality~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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You don`t have to beg, Deirdre my dear. I go to my DBSA support group on Wednesday nights, and sometimes I really have to struggle to get myself out the door. Why don`t we coorespond on Wednesday, and offer each other some good ole` mutual support? Together, we can make it sweetie. Whad`ya say? : ) Bob (Deirdre

to Kim (part III)

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Kim I am very sensitive to medication side effects also so I just take an extremely low dosage. penguin

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"Caprinardo Delirio" <monotre…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:11fn0j7ini8lt8b@corp.supernews.com… > I saw the ass end of that show. I didnt get much out of  it since it was so > far into the show. > Does your girlfriend post here too? > -kim

poor Pines.  she left the internet.  we all miss her. m.

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Caprinardo Delirio wrote: > I saw the ass end of that show. I didnt get much out of  it since it was so > far into the show. > Does your girlfriend post here too? > -kim

I didn’t watched the show, just listened to it.  My mother was watching Dr. Phil in the other bedroom and she’s half deaf, so to speak!:-(  The show kinda agitated me some, when they were talking about having to forcibly "kidnapped" their daughter, to get into ‘treatment’, and had a friend, who was an "ex-Navy Seals" help ‘capture’ her. Pines does not get on-line very much anymore!  She said it aggravate her and the Internet is very addicting. <alphacat twitches>

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I saw the ass end of that show. I didnt get much out of  it since it was so far into the show. Does your girlfriend post here too? -kim

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they made me clench my jaw so hard that the muscles surrounding throbbed and above my ear near my temple felt to the touch like I had been hit with a hammer.. ear aches from the clenching etc. Also headaches.. lots and lots of headaches.. I have never had problems with them before.  mild ones here and there throughout life. AND they made me SO TIRED that I could fall asleep anywhere, but they wouldnt let me fall asleep.. just lay there uncomfortable for hours.. If I went to bed at 9, I would lay there until 2am.. so I just started staying up this late because I knew I couldnt sleep anyways.. but then my son woke up at 6.. ugh.. no sleep really sucks. -kim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Caprinardo Delirio wrote: > I an doing great.. having some pretty bad image loops and such lately.. and > the guy who stands behind me.. who isnt really there but if I feel him there > long enough, he WILL be there when I turn around.. well, hes back.. he still > wont say anything and I turn away to make him "disappear" anyways. It works. > I dont care about it, it just scares me. > My doctor says he thinks I am simply OCD and PSYCHOTIC…. not sz or > schizotypal.. because I am not delusional. > They want me to take seroquil .. but I wont. Not until I am paralyzed I > guess. meds havent worked for me yet.. I am ovrt sensitive to even ssri’s. > I have tried to catch you on aim.. but youre never there. I have you added > though. > how are you? I hope youre well. > -kim

I guess most people with "OCD" don’t like to take their ‘meds’, ‘eh?!  I was listening to Dr. Phil yesterday and he was talking about "OCD".  He had this eighteen year old girl with "OCD" on and she was describing all her "obsessions" and stuff.  Her parents kidnapped her and sent her to some ‘clinic’/hospital for a little while.  She refuses to take her ‘meds’, because she said she’s "overly sensitive" to ‘em! <alphacat twitches>

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how is everything going? m.

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I an doing great.. having some pretty bad image loops and such lately.. and the guy who stands behind me.. who isnt really there but if I feel him there long enough, he WILL be there when I turn around.. well, hes back.. he still wont say anything and I turn away to make him "disappear" anyways. It works. I dont care about it, it just scares me. My doctor says he thinks I am simply OCD and PSYCHOTIC…. not sz or schizotypal.. because I am not delusional. They want me to take seroquil .. but I wont. Not until I am paralyzed I guess. meds havent worked for me yet.. I am ovrt sensitive to even ssri’s. I have tried to catch you on aim.. but youre never there. I have you added though. how are you? I hope youre well. -kim

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How do you avoid the trolls

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Besides the claims made here that are an aim to damage my character, I do not want to attend the event that is written about in this link. It seems that whenever an event like this happens in Winnipeg, I get the heckling here on this newsgroup, likely the organizers. http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/WinnipegSun/News/2005/06/02/1067614-sun… — Stuart J. Shillinglaw in Winnipeg http://shillinglaw.atspace.com/ http://schizophrenia.atspace.org/webrings.html

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"Stuart J. Shillinglaw" <stuart.shilling…@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:Xns96698E0959E4Astuartshillinglawnew@24.66.94.159… > Besides the claims made here that are an aim to damage my character, I do > not want to attend the event that is written about in this link. It seems > that whenever an event like this happens in Winnipeg, I get the heckling > here on this newsgroup, likely the organizers.

Stuart, i wouldn’t worry about it.  i suspect who one of the remailer jerks is, but without proof, there’s not much i can do.  we are at a standoff. but every dog will have his day. i would recommend loud trance music.  it drowns out the voices. m.

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i currently walk.  i do maybe 2 miles once or twice per day.  (i did skip a few days during my meltdown.)  it helps get out the agressions.  it may not be possible to walk in a crowded urban area, but try to find a park or something.  and loud music.  preferably through speakers, but i use headphones (yes, i’m probably deaf).  you can find some music that syncs with you. problem is that voices will hide under the music.  so musical selection is paramount. i don’t have any other ideas.  i drink too much coffee and that gives me jitters and paranoia.  but i like the taste. maybe writing in a journal would help.  but don’t let a couple of gay comments tweak you.  show no weakness, be a moving target.  remember the Matrix?  "you are faster than that". m.

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"gravity" <grav…@example.net> escribi

April 16 WI – Prairie Roots

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I do sometimes feel very out of sorts, not wanting to do anything, just want to sit in a nice quiet room all by myself.  

The last two items are big red flags. They’re high on the list of indicators for clinical depression. Add the emotional beating you’ve taken, and I really do urge you to follow-up with your dr for an evaluation. Medication may not be the answer, but it never hurts to find out if there’s something else dragging you down besides regular life. Maybe if what you’re feeling has a name, it’ll be easier to tell other people (and yourself!!) that you need some self-time.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hope I’m getting ready.  I’m tired of being tired, having no clothes that fit properly and feeling basically yucky!  Oh, the other thing is that when I lost 37 lbs. two years ago all my joint and muscle pain went away.  It’s back now. I wish the desire for good health was enough to trigger my willingness to lose weight. Unfortunately, that argument falls on deaf ears in my case. Nope, what’s making the difference right now is something that appealed to my vanity, which I didn’t know I possessed until I realized I can’t wear last summer’s clothes nor my bicyling shorts and shirts. Even if only in my own mind, I looked cute last year, an attribute I’ve never associated with myself, and I liked the feeling.

I saw your photo on your website last year and though you looked great! "Feeling basically yucky": Have you considered at all that you might be depressed, and perhaps anti-depression might help? With all the non-stop emotional pain you’ve experienced over the last 24 months, it’s not out of the question that your brain chemistry is out of whack and needs a bit of help getting right.

You know, I’ve thought about that and think it might have something to do with it.  One other thing that is happening is DH’s grandmother is clinging to me since my MIL passed away last August.  She has no immediate family now as her husband died 7 years ago and my MIL was her only child. She phones our house every night and if we know it’s her and don’t answer, she keeps phoning non-stop until we answer.  Then all she does is complains about everyone else in the family and how they don’t phone her or stop by, etc., etc.  Reason they don’t is just that – she complains non-stop!  She relies on DH’s aunt (sister of DH’s father) and myself to take her shopping, to get her hair done, doctors appointments, everything.  She’s tried to recruit me to do her housework, make her bed, vacuum her carpets, etc.  I have enough to do so refuse to volunteer (actually DH warned me against doing too much for her as he doesn’t want her to be too dependent on us all as we’ve got our own lives to live).  I’ve tried to talk her into some home care services, but she will have nothing to do with it.  It’s not as if it costs her anything as it’s covered by her medical plan, but she just won’t have it. As you say, I have had alot going on over the last two years, so I expect that it’s all gotten to me and is making me somewhat depressed. I do sometimes feel very out of sorts, not wanting to do anything, just want to sit in a nice quiet room all by myself.  The more I think about what you’ve said, the more I think that maybe that is my problem.  I’m going to make an appointment with my doctor and see what he has to say about it all.  Thanks for the help…. Just a thought. Whatever is going on, Brenda, I hope you feel better soon. I’m sorry to hear about your other grandmother. You’re so close to all of your family; I can’t imagine how heavy the load of sadness and worry that you carry.

I am close to my family and it will be difficult for us all if they find it’s spread to other parts of her body, but we can just hope and pray that it hasn’t and that they can remove the cancer that is there and she will continue to live a long healthy and happy life. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Linda P

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Habit, yes. And others: Boredom, stress, something to occupy the hands… I need a new habit. Do you nibble when you’re biking, hiking, x-country skiing? I don’t nibble when I’m at the computer. But TV? Reading? hoo boy! I should take up knitting to keep my fingers busy while I’m sitting.

Sitting at the computer and watching TV make me want to snack.  I can read without feeling the urge to eat though.  Knitting is a great idea – I’ve taken it up in the past – not to avoid eating – and enjoyed it.  Right now I have DS and a cat who would love to get all tangled up in my wool so won’t be doing any knitting real soon. The only reason snacking is not incessant right now is that it is unavailable. The only finger food in the house are cherry tomatoes, strawberries, oranges, and apples. I don’t even have any popcorn. No yogurt, no skinny cows, no meringues. I just don’t trust myself to have that stuff sitting around. I stopped at the grocery store today and looked for Panda licorice. Even with my renewed determination, I was hunched down, scavenging the bottom shelf. Fortunately, the store was out of licorice, and I had enough sense to leave before anything else attracted my attention.

Good for you having no snack foods in the house.  Wish I could get away with that.  If I had none it would force DH to the grocery store then there would be worse things here than there are now! Brenda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Amen, sister! (G) Meals are fine.  And if I do go out and splurge it is quite infrequent.  Snacking is incessant and available ….. Nervous habit, just habit, boredom, stress….. As important as it is to learn good eating habits in general for our main meals, non-meal nibbling is my downfall. Reaching for a handful of whatever… for me, that’s the deal breaker when it comes to weight loss. My challenge lately has been my neighbors house. She always has lots of junk food. I frequently hit her frittos or other chips while I am there. While it might only be a handfull it still adds up plus I don’t like that I can’t seem to resist them. I suspect that I am feeling deprived and this is my way of getting them without having to buy the whole bag myself. Gotta break this habit for sure. Thanks Laura. Weekends have been my most challenging time period. I was able to stay on program all of last weekend and yesterday. Last night I went out for coffee with a friend and was sorely tempted throughout the evening to purchase a desert square or cookie or biscotti or Something. I went through all the reasons I could have something–I have a whole week’s worth of flex points, I could share it with my friend, I Wanted it–and each and every time I was able to remember that I’m trying to fit into my bike clothes and eating a treat, while a momentary pleasure, would ultimately lead to my feeling worse for a lot longer. I wasn’t hungry. I have fruit at home to satisfy my sweet tooth; in fact, I ate a couple of strawberries as soon as I walked in the door. I wasn’t even thinking about food when I got to the place because I’d enjoyed a thoroughly satisfying and interesting meal shortly before going. No, it was just the sight of all those goodies in the case that made me think I should have something. Did I feel deprived? Yeah, a little. But I was able to tell myself that I’ll feel even more deprived if I can’t fit into my summer shorts. And that seemed to be enough to make me go back to my seat and enjoy the company of my friend. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Great job getting back on track. The right mental attitude goes a long way in this journey. You certainly made the right decsion in coming back. After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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Habit, yes. And others: Boredom, stress, something to occupy the hands… I need a new habit. Do you nibble when you’re biking, hiking, x-country skiing? I don’t nibble when I’m at the computer. But TV? Reading? hoo boy! I should take up knitting to keep my fingers busy while I’m sitting. The only reason snacking is not incessant right now is that it is unavailable. The only finger food in the house are cherry tomatoes, strawberries, oranges, and apples. I don’t even have any popcorn. No yogurt, no skinny cows, no meringues. I just don’t trust myself to have that stuff sitting around. I stopped at the grocery store today and looked for Panda licorice. Even with my renewed determination, I was hunched down, scavenging the bottom shelf. Fortunately, the store was out of licorice, and I had enough sense to leave before anything else attracted my attention. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Amen, sister! (G) Meals are fine.  And if I do go out and splurge it is quite infrequent.  Snacking is incessant and available ….. Nervous habit, just habit, boredom, stress….. As important as it is to learn good eating habits in general for our main meals, non-meal nibbling is my downfall. Reaching for a handful of whatever… for me, that’s the deal breaker when it comes to weight loss. My challenge lately has been my neighbors house. She always has lots of junk food. I frequently hit her frittos or other chips while I am there. While it might only be a handfull it still adds up plus I don’t like that I can’t seem to resist them. I suspect that I am feeling deprived and this is my way of getting them without having to buy the whole bag myself. Gotta break this habit for sure. Thanks Laura. Weekends have been my most challenging time period. I was able to stay on program all of last weekend and yesterday. Last night I went out for coffee with a friend and was sorely tempted throughout the evening to purchase a desert square or cookie or biscotti or Something. I went through all the reasons I could have something–I have a whole week’s worth of flex points, I could share it with my friend, I Wanted it–and each and every time I was able to remember that I’m trying to fit into my bike clothes and eating a treat, while a momentary pleasure, would ultimately lead to my feeling worse for a lot longer. I wasn’t hungry. I have fruit at home to satisfy my sweet tooth; in fact, I ate a couple of strawberries as soon as I walked in the door. I wasn’t even thinking about food when I got to the place because I’d enjoyed a thoroughly satisfying and interesting meal shortly before going. No, it was just the sight of all those goodies in the case that made me think I should have something. Did I feel deprived? Yeah, a little. But I was able to tell myself that I’ll feel even more deprived if I can’t fit into my summer shorts. And that seemed to be enough to make me go back to my seat and enjoy the company of my friend. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Great job getting back on track. The right mental attitude goes a long way in this journey. You certainly made the right decsion in coming back. After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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I hope I’m getting ready.  I’m tired of being tired, having no clothes that fit properly and feeling basically yucky!  Oh, the other thing is that when I lost 37 lbs. two years ago all my joint and muscle pain went away.  It’s back now.

I wish the desire for good health was enough to trigger my willingness to lose weight. Unfortunately, that argument falls on deaf ears in my case. Nope, what’s making the difference right now is something that appealed to my vanity, which I didn’t know I possessed until I realized I can’t wear last summer’s clothes nor my bicyling shorts and shirts. Even if only in my own mind, I looked cute last year, an attribute I’ve never associated with myself, and I liked the feeling. "Feeling basically yucky": Have you considered at all that you might be depressed, and perhaps anti-depression might help? With all the non-stop emotional pain you’ve experienced over the last 24 months, it’s not out of the question that your brain chemistry is out of whack and needs a bit of help getting right. Just a thought. Whatever is going on, Brenda, I hope you feel better soon. I’m sorry to hear about your other grandmother. You’re so close to all of your family; I can’t imagine how heavy the load of sadness and worry that you carry. — Linda P

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I’m going to try her sample menus for a few weeks and see what I think, then perhaps I’ll subscribe.  Thanks for the suggestions. Brenda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the menu planner you subscribe to? www.savingdinner.com The site belongs to an associate of Flylady.net. What I like about the menus (main meals only, no breakfasts or lunches, unless you have leftovers) is that they don’t require much preparation time. I’m usually eating within 1/2 hour of getting home from work. One menu a week is slow-cooked. Hardly anything is microwaved. She offers a regular menu available for 6 or 2 people, which includes vegetarian and kosher options for each meal, a vegetarian menu for 6 or 2 people, a low-carb menu for 6 or 2 people, and recently added a frugal menu for 6 people only. I get the regular menu. The weekly menus also come with a shopping list, and nutritional info is provided for the main item in each meal, making it easy to calculate points. You have to point side items yourself. I subscribed about 6 weeks ago. I don’t have one of these meals every night–I still go back to my grilled meat, baked potato, steamed vegetable a couple times a week, especially if I’ve gone out for lunch. But when I prepare one of the menu meals, eating alone somehow feels like a sit-down family meal. As an single empty-nester, I’ve been deprived of that experience for too many years. I find that once I get home from work, which is usually around 5:30 pm that I don’t have alot of time to prepare dinner, so it’s usually something that I can quickly throw together.  Breakfast has never been a favorite meal of mine.  I usually have something like oatmeal with milk and brown sugar, egg white omelette on dry toast with 1/2 oz. cheddar, or cereal.  Lunches are usually soup, salad, or a veggie sandwich – dinners can be almost anything at the moment.  Like I said, whatever is quick and easy has been getting my vote lately – and it’s usually not an OP meal.  The other thing I haven’t been doing is drinking water. I know it makes a difference though.  I hate "diet" food too, so the typical "diet" stuff would not cut it with me – that’s why I joined WW – so I could have everything in moderation – but lately moderation has meant EVERYTHING! Brenda Adding variety to the family meal menu is definitely worth trying. It’ll be worth it if you’re able to satisfy the "exciting" factor. "Diet" food can be boring, or at least we think it is. For me, I knew I couldn’t go back to my simple evening meal plan of grilled meat, baked white or sweet potato, and steamed vegetable. After Months of that as a steady "diet," I thought I’d scream if I had that one more time. Now my evening meals are much more varied. I subscribe to a weekly non-weight loss menu planner, and I haven’t had the same meal for dinner in two months. I’m eating real food, not "diet" food. My taste buds are being introduced to new foods. Grocery shopping isn’t the total chore it used to be. I’m experimenting with new-to-me kitchen gadgets. Pasta’s back in my diet. I vary my breakfast between oatmeal, maple syrup, and milk, and eggbeaters, english muffin, and milk, depending on the points value of the evening meal. Lunch is salad. I make sure I eat my two fruits, take my multivitamins, include a vegetable with dinner, use extra-lean meats in the recipes, and substitute spray oils as appropriate. Touching and smelling and experiencing the foods while I’m preparing my meal seems to make a difference. Hmmm…deprivation.  Perhaps that’s my problem.  Meals have been kind of boring lately and the snacks, such as crackers, cookies, chocolate have been more exciting.  I’m going to try to make our meals more interesting and see what happens. Brenda My challenge lately has been my neighbors house. She always has lots of junk food. I frequently hit her frittos or other chips while I am there. While it might only be a handfull it still adds up plus I don’t like that I can’t seem to resist them. I suspect that I am feeling deprived and this is my way of getting them without having to buy the whole bag myself. Gotta break this habit for sure. Thanks Laura. Weekends have been my most challenging time period. I was able to stay on program all of last weekend and yesterday. Last night I went out for coffee with a friend and was sorely tempted throughout the evening to purchase a desert square or cookie or biscotti or Something. I went through all the reasons I could have something–I have a whole week’s worth of flex points, I could share it with my friend, I Wanted it–and each and every time I was able to remember that I’m trying to fit into my bike clothes and eating a treat, while a momentary pleasure, would ultimately lead to my feeling worse for a lot longer. I wasn’t hungry. I have fruit at home to satisfy my sweet tooth; in fact, I ate a couple of strawberries as soon as I walked in the door. I wasn’t even thinking about food when I got to the place because I’d enjoyed a thoroughly satisfying and interesting meal shortly before going. No, it was just the sight of all those goodies in the case that made me think I should have something. Did I feel deprived? Yeah, a little. But I was able to tell myself that I’ll feel even more deprived if I can’t fit into my summer shorts. And that seemed to be enough to make me go back to my seat and enjoy the company of my friend. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Great job getting back on track. The right mental attitude goes a long way in this journey. You certainly made the right decsion in coming back. After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since

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Deprivation and boredom may indeed have a role in your current struggles. In her response, Laura also suggests the craving itself might be a problem. That’s worth considering as well. Sugar wants more sugar. Avoiding processed foods for a while might help you get over the craving, though it might take a bit of white-knuckling too.

I’m going to try it.  I’m sure there will be many white-knuckle moments! Am I remembering correctly? Didn’t you say once that you would scrub the kitchen floor as one tactic that worked to keep you out of the kitchen? I’d never recommend to anyone that they go to such extremes, but if that’s worked for you in the past, maybe it’s worth trying now.

Nope, wasn’t me!  I wash it when it needs doing, but if I were doing it to keep me from eating I would be down there constantly!  Don’t like it that much. Don’t forget you’ve been through a lot of emotional upheaval in the period of time you mention. When you’re ready, you’ll be able to find the motivation and incentive you need to stick with weight loss eating. Maybe what you’re going through now is getting ready to get ready. <g

I have and there’s more now too.  My grandmother that lives with me had surgery two months ago for a grapefruit sized tumor on her bowel that was cancer.  Now my other grandmother has just found out she has a spot of cancer in her stomach and has to go for more testing then surgery or some kind of treatment.  She won’t know what will be done until the doctor gets all the test results he wants, so we’ve got a while to wait on that.  I’m trying to think about "me", but I’m the type who is constantly worrying about others and all the things that are going on in my life – probably my major problem! I hope I’m getting ready.  I’m tired of being tired, having no clothes that fit properly and feeling basically yucky!  Oh, the other thing is that when I lost 37 lbs. two years ago all my joint and muscle pain went away.  It’s back now. Brenda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 My weight has been bouncing around like a yoyo lately.  For the life of me I cannot figure out why losing 37 lbs two years ago was so easy, yet now I am unable to stay OP for any length of time. Laura mentioned deprivation and I’m wondering if that might be part of my problem.  I’m going to try to make meals more interesting and see what happens. Snacks in the evening are also something I have to overcome.  It seems that once dinner is finished I crave something sweet, then once I have even one, it eventually leads to more. Brenda Thanks Brenda. Everyone at their pace in their own time. What motivates you doesn’t motivate me, and vice versa. Maybe you just haven’t found the thing that is more important to you than eating. Being healthy Should be more important–we all know that–but sometimes that’s not reason enough. As for me, I’m taking one day at a time, rehearsing my reasons for wanting to get back to my WW goal weight. Today I’m on Day 9. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Congratulations on getting back on track before getting too out of control.  I need to take notes on what you’ve said here as I am in a similar situation.  Getting back on track is causing me difficulty at the moment. Brenda After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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Thanks for the suggestion.  I will limit the sugar and processed foods. If it worked for you perhaps it will work for me as well. Brenda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Deprivation or boredom could be playing a part in things for you but it also sounds like you are dealing with cravings. Try limiting your sugar and processed foods to see if that helps. I know that when I was doing the Core program the cravings disappeared. Now that I am no longer doing the core program and am allowing the junk back in slowly the cravings seem to have returned. So has the stress but that’s another story. My weight has been bouncing around like a yoyo lately.  For the life of me I cannot figure out why losing 37 lbs two years ago was so easy, yet now I am unable to stay OP for any length of time. Laura mentioned deprivation and I’m wondering if that might be part of my problem.  I’m going to try to make meals more interesting and see what happens. Snacks in the evening are also something I have to overcome.  It seems that once dinner is finished I crave something sweet, then once I have even one, it eventually leads to more. Brenda Thanks Brenda. Everyone at their pace in their own time. What motivates you doesn’t motivate me, and vice versa. Maybe you just haven’t found the thing that is more important to you than eating. Being healthy Should be more important–we all know that–but sometimes that’s not reason enough. As for me, I’m taking one day at a time, rehearsing my reasons for wanting to get back to my WW goal weight. Today I’m on Day 9. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Congratulations on getting back on track before getting too out of control.  I need to take notes on what you’ve said here as I am in a similar situation.  Getting back on track is causing me difficulty at the moment. Brenda After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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I can see how the lack of menus can mess things up. I deal with that most days here. DH does the dinner cooking. I have tried to suggest meals but he usually vetos the idea. Fortunately we have steaks and chicken breasts in the freezer all the time. He has no problem running to the store at 5pm to grab some fresh veggies to steam for me. There are some nights that he just has not desire to cook nor is there anything in the house that suits him. That’s when we end up calling out. He has learned over time which places I can order safely from so as to not go overboard. We used to plan the menus and shopping list out over the weekend. That helped keep us on track but that was back when we were both working. Now that we don’t work full time we can run to the store whenever we are out of stuff. But since you are working you might try doing a menu and shopping list on Sundays so that the week is covered.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the menu planner you subscribe to?  I find that once I get home from work, which is usually around 5:30 pm that I don’t have alot of time to prepare dinner, so it’s usually something that I can quickly throw together.  Breakfast has never been a favorite meal of mine.  I usually have something like oatmeal with milk and brown sugar, egg white omelette on dry toast with 1/2 oz. cheddar, or cereal.  Lunches are usually soup, salad, or a veggie sandwich – dinners can be almost anything at the moment.  Like I said, whatever is quick and easy has been getting my vote lately – and it’s usually not an OP meal.  The other thing I haven’t been doing is drinking water. I know it makes a difference though.  I hate "diet" food too, so the typical "diet" stuff would not cut it with me – that’s why I joined WW – so I could have everything in moderation – but lately moderation has meant EVERYTHING! Brenda Adding variety to the family meal menu is definitely worth trying. It’ll be worth it if you’re able to satisfy the "exciting" factor. "Diet" food can be boring, or at least we think it is. For me, I knew I couldn’t go back to my simple evening meal plan of grilled meat, baked white or sweet potato, and steamed vegetable. After Months of that as a steady "diet," I thought I’d scream if I had that one more time. Now my evening meals are much more varied. I subscribe to a weekly non-weight loss menu planner, and I haven’t had the same meal for dinner in two months. I’m eating real food, not "diet" food. My taste buds are being introduced to new foods. Grocery shopping isn’t the total chore it used to be. I’m experimenting with new-to-me kitchen gadgets. Pasta’s back in my diet. I vary my breakfast between oatmeal, maple syrup, and milk, and eggbeaters, english muffin, and milk, depending on the points value of the evening meal. Lunch is salad. I make sure I eat my two fruits, take my multivitamins, include a vegetable with dinner, use extra-lean meats in the recipes, and substitute spray oils as appropriate. Touching and smelling and experiencing the foods while I’m preparing my meal seems to make a difference. Hmmm…deprivation.  Perhaps that’s my problem.  Meals have been kind of boring lately and the snacks, such as crackers, cookies, chocolate have been more exciting.  I’m going to try to make our meals more interesting and see what happens. Brenda My challenge lately has been my neighbors house. She always has lots of junk food. I frequently hit her frittos or other chips while I am there. While it might only be a handfull it still adds up plus I don’t like that I can’t seem to resist them. I suspect that I am feeling deprived and this is my way of getting them without having to buy the whole bag myself. Gotta break this habit for sure. Thanks Laura. Weekends have been my most challenging time period. I was able to stay on program all of last weekend and yesterday. Last night I went out for coffee with a friend and was sorely tempted throughout the evening to purchase a desert square or cookie or biscotti or Something. I went through all the reasons I could have something–I have a whole week’s worth of flex points, I could share it with my friend, I Wanted it–and each and every time I was able to remember that I’m trying to fit into my bike clothes and eating a treat, while a momentary pleasure, would ultimately lead to my feeling worse for a lot longer. I wasn’t hungry. I have fruit at home to satisfy my sweet tooth; in fact, I ate a couple of strawberries as soon as I walked in the door. I wasn’t even thinking about food when I got to the place because I’d enjoyed a thoroughly satisfying and interesting meal shortly before going. No, it was just the sight of all those goodies in the case that made me think I should have something. Did I feel deprived? Yeah, a little. But I was able to tell myself that I’ll feel even more deprived if I can’t fit into my summer shorts. And that seemed to be enough to make me go back to my seat and enjoy the company of my friend. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Great job getting back on track. The right mental attitude goes a long way in this journey. You certainly made the right decsion in coming back. After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I

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Deprivation and boredom may indeed have a role in your current struggles. In her response, Laura also suggests the craving itself might be a problem. That’s worth considering as well. Sugar wants more sugar. Avoiding processed foods for a while might help you get over the craving, though it might take a bit of white-knuckling too. Am I remembering correctly? Didn’t you say once that you would scrub the kitchen floor as one tactic that worked to keep you out of the kitchen? I’d never recommend to anyone that they go to such extremes, but if that’s worked for you in the past, maybe it’s worth trying now. Don’t forget you’ve been through a lot of emotional upheaval in the period of time you mention. When you’re ready, you’ll be able to find the motivation and incentive you need to stick with weight loss eating. Maybe what you’re going through now is getting ready to get ready. <g — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My weight has been bouncing around like a yoyo lately.  For the life of me I cannot figure out why losing 37 lbs two years ago was so easy, yet now I am unable to stay OP for any length of time. Laura mentioned deprivation and I’m wondering if that might be part of my problem.  I’m going to try to make meals more interesting and see what happens. Snacks in the evening are also something I have to overcome.  It seems that once dinner is finished I crave something sweet, then once I have even one, it eventually leads to more. Brenda Thanks Brenda. Everyone at their pace in their own time. What motivates you doesn’t motivate me, and vice versa. Maybe you just haven’t found the thing that is more important to you than eating. Being healthy Should be more important–we all know that–but sometimes that’s not reason enough. As for me, I’m taking one day at a time, rehearsing my reasons for wanting to get back to my WW goal weight. Today I’m on Day 9. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Congratulations on getting back on track before getting too out of control.  I need to take notes on what you’ve said here as I am in a similar situation.  Getting back on track is causing me difficulty at the moment. Brenda After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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What is the menu planner you subscribe to?  

www.savingdinner.com The site belongs to an associate of Flylady.net. What I like about the menus (main meals only, no breakfasts or lunches, unless you have leftovers) is that they don’t require much preparation time. I’m usually eating within 1/2 hour of getting home from work. One menu a week is slow-cooked. Hardly anything is microwaved. She offers a regular menu available for 6 or 2 people, which includes vegetarian and kosher options for each meal, a vegetarian menu for 6 or 2 people, a low-carb menu for 6 or 2 people, and recently added a frugal menu for 6 people only. I get the regular menu. The weekly menus also come with a shopping list, and nutritional info is provided for the main item in each meal, making it easy to calculate points. You have to point side items yourself. I subscribed about 6 weeks ago. I don’t have one of these meals every night–I still go back to my grilled meat, baked potato, steamed vegetable a couple times a week, especially if I’ve gone out for lunch. But when I prepare one of the menu meals, eating alone somehow feels like a sit-down family meal. As an single empty-nester, I’ve been deprived of that experience for too many years. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I find that once I get home from work, which is usually around 5:30 pm that I don’t have alot of time to prepare dinner, so it’s usually something that I can quickly throw together.  Breakfast has never been a favorite meal of mine.  I usually have something like oatmeal with milk and brown sugar, egg white omelette on dry toast with 1/2 oz. cheddar, or cereal.  Lunches are usually soup, salad, or a veggie sandwich – dinners can be almost anything at the moment.  Like I said, whatever is quick and easy has been getting my vote lately – and it’s usually not an OP meal.  The other thing I haven’t been doing is drinking water. I know it makes a difference though.  I hate "diet" food too, so the typical "diet" stuff would not cut it with me – that’s why I joined WW – so I could have everything in moderation – but lately moderation has meant EVERYTHING! Brenda Adding variety to the family meal menu is definitely worth trying. It’ll be worth it if you’re able to satisfy the "exciting" factor. "Diet" food can be boring, or at least we think it is. For me, I knew I couldn’t go back to my simple evening meal plan of grilled meat, baked white or sweet potato, and steamed vegetable. After Months of that as a steady "diet," I thought I’d scream if I had that one more time. Now my evening meals are much more varied. I subscribe to a weekly non-weight loss menu planner, and I haven’t had the same meal for dinner in two months. I’m eating real food, not "diet" food. My taste buds are being introduced to new foods. Grocery shopping isn’t the total chore it used to be. I’m experimenting with new-to-me kitchen gadgets. Pasta’s back in my diet. I vary my breakfast between oatmeal, maple syrup, and milk, and eggbeaters, english muffin, and milk, depending on the points value of the evening meal. Lunch is salad. I make sure I eat my two fruits, take my multivitamins, include a vegetable with dinner, use extra-lean meats in the recipes, and substitute spray oils as appropriate. Touching and smelling and experiencing the foods while I’m preparing my meal seems to make a difference. Hmmm…deprivation.  Perhaps that’s my problem.  Meals have been kind of boring lately and the snacks, such as crackers, cookies, chocolate have been more exciting.  I’m going to try to make our meals more interesting and see what happens. Brenda My challenge lately has been my neighbors house. She always has lots of junk food. I frequently hit her frittos or other chips while I am there. While it might only be a handfull it still adds up plus I don’t like that I can’t seem to resist them. I suspect that I am feeling deprived and this is my way of getting them without having to buy the whole bag myself. Gotta break this habit for sure. Thanks Laura. Weekends have been my most challenging time period. I was able to stay on program all of last weekend and yesterday. Last night I went out for coffee with a friend and was sorely tempted throughout the evening to purchase a desert square or cookie or biscotti or Something. I went through all the reasons I could have something–I have a whole week’s worth of flex points, I could share it with my friend, I Wanted it–and each and every time I was able to remember that I’m trying to fit into my bike clothes and eating a treat, while a momentary pleasure, would ultimately lead to my feeling worse for a lot longer. I wasn’t hungry. I have fruit at home to satisfy my sweet tooth; in fact, I ate a couple of strawberries as soon as I walked in the door. I wasn’t even thinking about food when I got to the place because I’d enjoyed a thoroughly satisfying and interesting meal shortly before going. No, it was just the sight of all those goodies in the case that made me think I should have something. Did I feel deprived? Yeah, a little. But I was able to tell myself that I’ll feel even more deprived if I can’t fit into my summer shorts. And that seemed to be enough to make me go back to my seat and enjoy the company of my friend. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Great job getting back on track. The right mental attitude goes a long way in this journey. You certainly made the right decsion in coming back. After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on

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What is the menu planner you subscribe to?  I find that once I get home from work, which is usually around 5:30 pm that I don’t have alot of time to prepare dinner, so it’s usually something that I can quickly throw together.  Breakfast has never been a favorite meal of mine.  I usually have something like oatmeal with milk and brown sugar, egg white omelette on dry toast with 1/2 oz. cheddar, or cereal.  Lunches are usually soup, salad, or a veggie sandwich – dinners can be almost anything at the moment.  Like I said, whatever is quick and easy has been getting my vote lately – and it’s usually not an OP meal.  The other thing I haven’t been doing is drinking water. I know it makes a difference though.  I hate "diet" food too, so the typical "diet" stuff would not cut it with me – that’s why I joined WW – so I could have everything in moderation – but lately moderation has meant EVERYTHING! Brenda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Adding variety to the family meal menu is definitely worth trying. It’ll be worth it if you’re able to satisfy the "exciting" factor. "Diet" food can be boring, or at least we think it is. For me, I knew I couldn’t go back to my simple evening meal plan of grilled meat, baked white or sweet potato, and steamed vegetable. After Months of that as a steady "diet," I thought I’d scream if I had that one more time. Now my evening meals are much more varied. I subscribe to a weekly non-weight loss menu planner, and I haven’t had the same meal for dinner in two months. I’m eating real food, not "diet" food. My taste buds are being introduced to new foods. Grocery shopping isn’t the total chore it used to be. I’m experimenting with new-to-me kitchen gadgets. Pasta’s back in my diet. I vary my breakfast between oatmeal, maple syrup, and milk, and eggbeaters, english muffin, and milk, depending on the points value of the evening meal. Lunch is salad. I make sure I eat my two fruits, take my multivitamins, include a vegetable with dinner, use extra-lean meats in the recipes, and substitute spray oils as appropriate. Touching and smelling and experiencing the foods while I’m preparing my meal seems to make a difference. Hmmm…deprivation.  Perhaps that’s my problem.  Meals have been kind of boring lately and the snacks, such as crackers, cookies, chocolate have been more exciting.  I’m going to try to make our meals more interesting and see what happens. Brenda My challenge lately has been my neighbors house. She always has lots of junk food. I frequently hit her frittos or other chips while I am there. While it might only be a handfull it still adds up plus I don’t like that I can’t seem to resist them. I suspect that I am feeling deprived and this is my way of getting them without having to buy the whole bag myself. Gotta break this habit for sure. Thanks Laura. Weekends have been my most challenging time period. I was able to stay on program all of last weekend and yesterday. Last night I went out for coffee with a friend and was sorely tempted throughout the evening to purchase a desert square or cookie or biscotti or Something. I went through all the reasons I could have something–I have a whole week’s worth of flex points, I could share it with my friend, I Wanted it–and each and every time I was able to remember that I’m trying to fit into my bike clothes and eating a treat, while a momentary pleasure, would ultimately lead to my feeling worse for a lot longer. I wasn’t hungry. I have fruit at home to satisfy my sweet tooth; in fact, I ate a couple of strawberries as soon as I walked in the door. I wasn’t even thinking about food when I got to the place because I’d enjoyed a thoroughly satisfying and interesting meal shortly before going. No, it was just the sight of all those goodies in the case that made me think I should have something. Did I feel deprived? Yeah, a little. But I was able to tell myself that I’ll feel even more deprived if I can’t fit into my summer shorts. And that seemed to be enough to make me go back to my seat and enjoy the company of my friend. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Great job getting back on track. The right mental attitude goes a long way in this journey. You certainly made the right decsion in coming back. After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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Deprivation or boredom could be playing a part in things for you but it also sounds like you are dealing with cravings. Try limiting your sugar and processed foods to see if that helps. I know that when I was doing the Core program the cravings disappeared. Now that I am no longer doing the core program and am allowing the junk back in slowly the cravings seem to have returned. So has the stress but that’s another story.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My weight has been bouncing around like a yoyo lately.  For the life of me I cannot figure out why losing 37 lbs two years ago was so easy, yet now I am unable to stay OP for any length of time. Laura mentioned deprivation and I’m wondering if that might be part of my problem.  I’m going to try to make meals more interesting and see what happens. Snacks in the evening are also something I have to overcome.  It seems that once dinner is finished I crave something sweet, then once I have even one, it eventually leads to more. Brenda Thanks Brenda. Everyone at their pace in their own time. What motivates you doesn’t motivate me, and vice versa. Maybe you just haven’t found the thing that is more important to you than eating. Being healthy Should be more important–we all know that–but sometimes that’s not reason enough. As for me, I’m taking one day at a time, rehearsing my reasons for wanting to get back to my WW goal weight. Today I’m on Day 9. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Congratulations on getting back on track before getting too out of control.  I need to take notes on what you’ve said here as I am in a similar situation.  Getting back on track is causing me difficulty at the moment. Brenda After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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Adding variety to the family meal menu is definitely worth trying. It’ll be worth it if you’re able to satisfy the "exciting" factor. "Diet" food can be boring, or at least we think it is. For me, I knew I couldn’t go back to my simple evening meal plan of grilled meat, baked white or sweet potato, and steamed vegetable. After Months of that as a steady "diet," I thought I’d scream if I had that one more time. Now my evening meals are much more varied. I subscribe to a weekly non-weight loss menu planner, and I haven’t had the same meal for dinner in two months. I’m eating real food, not "diet" food. My taste buds are being introduced to new foods. Grocery shopping isn’t the total chore it used to be. I’m experimenting with new-to-me kitchen gadgets. Pasta’s back in my diet. I vary my breakfast between oatmeal, maple syrup, and milk, and eggbeaters, english muffin, and milk, depending on the points value of the evening meal. Lunch is salad. I make sure I eat my two fruits, take my multivitamins, include a vegetable with dinner, use extra-lean meats in the recipes, and substitute spray oils as appropriate. Touching and smelling and experiencing the foods while I’m preparing my meal seems to make a difference. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmm…deprivation.  Perhaps that’s my problem.  Meals have been kind of boring lately and the snacks, such as crackers, cookies, chocolate have been more exciting.  I’m going to try to make our meals more interesting and see what happens. Brenda My challenge lately has been my neighbors house. She always has lots of junk food. I frequently hit her frittos or other chips while I am there. While it might only be a handfull it still adds up plus I don’t like that I can’t seem to resist them. I suspect that I am feeling deprived and this is my way of getting them without having to buy the whole bag myself. Gotta break this habit for sure. Thanks Laura. Weekends have been my most challenging time period. I was able to stay on program all of last weekend and yesterday. Last night I went out for coffee with a friend and was sorely tempted throughout the evening to purchase a desert square or cookie or biscotti or Something. I went through all the reasons I could have something–I have a whole week’s worth of flex points, I could share it with my friend, I Wanted it–and each and every time I was able to remember that I’m trying to fit into my bike clothes and eating a treat, while a momentary pleasure, would ultimately lead to my feeling worse for a lot longer. I wasn’t hungry. I have fruit at home to satisfy my sweet tooth; in fact, I ate a couple of strawberries as soon as I walked in the door. I wasn’t even thinking about food when I got to the place because I’d enjoyed a thoroughly satisfying and interesting meal shortly before going. No, it was just the sight of all those goodies in the case that made me think I should have something. Did I feel deprived? Yeah, a little. But I was able to tell myself that I’ll feel even more deprived if I can’t fit into my summer shorts. And that seemed to be enough to make me go back to my seat and enjoy the company of my friend. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Great job getting back on track. The right mental attitude goes a long way in this journey. You certainly made the right decsion in coming back. After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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My weight has been bouncing around like a yoyo lately.  For the life of me I cannot figure out why losing 37 lbs two years ago was so easy, yet now I am unable to stay OP for any length of time. Laura mentioned deprivation and I’m wondering if that might be part of my problem.  I’m going to try to make meals more interesting and see what happens. Snacks in the evening are also something I have to overcome.  It seems that once dinner is finished I crave something sweet, then once I have even one, it eventually leads to more. Brenda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Brenda. Everyone at their pace in their own time. What motivates you doesn’t motivate me, and vice versa. Maybe you just haven’t found the thing that is more important to you than eating. Being healthy Should be more important–we all know that–but sometimes that’s not reason enough. As for me, I’m taking one day at a time, rehearsing my reasons for wanting to get back to my WW goal weight. Today I’m on Day 9. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Congratulations on getting back on track before getting too out of control.  I need to take notes on what you’ve said here as I am in a similar situation.  Getting back on track is causing me difficulty at the moment. Brenda After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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I agree. I think I am doing it in response to some subtle stresses that I am dealing with these days. I have been working hard to clean out the house in anticpation of our moving up near mom in June. Well those plans got cancelled this week as DD is really not ready to make the move. DH wants to stay now too (it was his idea). One of the reasons I quit my job in January was to clean out the house and now we are not moving. arrgghh. I told them we would proceed with cleaning out the house of all of the accumulated junk since I am not working. I just have to figure out what to do for employment now. Its hard to find a job when you are gone July & August every year. Noone wants to hire you under those terms nor are many jobs that are willing to have someone work remotely as a new hire.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As important as it is to learn good eating habits in general for our main meals, non-meal nibbling is my downfall. Reaching for a handful of whatever… for me, that’s the deal breaker when it comes to weight loss. My challenge lately has been my neighbors house. She always has lots of junk food. I frequently hit her frittos or other chips while I am there. While it might only be a handfull it still adds up plus I don’t like that I can’t seem to resist them. I suspect that I am feeling deprived and this is my way of getting them without having to buy the whole bag myself. Gotta break this habit for sure. Thanks Laura. Weekends have been my most challenging time period. I was able to stay on program all of last weekend and yesterday. Last night I went out for coffee with a friend and was sorely tempted throughout the evening to purchase a desert square or cookie or biscotti or Something. I went through all the reasons I could have something–I have a whole week’s worth of flex points, I could share it with my friend, I Wanted it–and each and every time I was able to remember that I’m trying to fit into my bike clothes and eating a treat, while a momentary pleasure, would ultimately lead to my feeling worse for a lot longer. I wasn’t hungry. I have fruit at home to satisfy my sweet tooth; in fact, I ate a couple of strawberries as soon as I walked in the door. I wasn’t even thinking about food when I got to the place because I’d enjoyed a thoroughly satisfying and interesting meal shortly before going. No, it was just the sight of all those goodies in the case that made me think I should have something. Did I feel deprived? Yeah, a little. But I was able to tell myself that I’ll feel even more deprived if I can’t fit into my summer shorts. And that seemed to be enough to make me go back to my seat and enjoy the company of my friend. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Great job getting back on track. The right mental attitude goes a long way in this journey. You certainly made the right decsion in coming back. After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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Hmmm…deprivation.  Perhaps that’s my problem.  Meals have been kind of boring lately and the snacks, such as crackers, cookies, chocolate have been more exciting.  I’m going to try to make our meals more interesting and see what happens. Brenda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My challenge lately has been my neighbors house. She always has lots of junk food. I frequently hit her frittos or other chips while I am there. While it might only be a handfull it still adds up plus I don’t like that I can’t seem to resist them. I suspect that I am feeling deprived and this is my way of getting them without having to buy the whole bag myself. Gotta break this habit for sure. Thanks Laura. Weekends have been my most challenging time period. I was able to stay on program all of last weekend and yesterday. Last night I went out for coffee with a friend and was sorely tempted throughout the evening to purchase a desert square or cookie or biscotti or Something. I went through all the reasons I could have something–I have a whole week’s worth of flex points, I could share it with my friend, I Wanted it–and each and every time I was able to remember that I’m trying to fit into my bike clothes and eating a treat, while a momentary pleasure, would ultimately lead to my feeling worse for a lot longer. I wasn’t hungry. I have fruit at home to satisfy my sweet tooth; in fact, I ate a couple of strawberries as soon as I walked in the door. I wasn’t even thinking about food when I got to the place because I’d enjoyed a thoroughly satisfying and interesting meal shortly before going. No, it was just the sight of all those goodies in the case that made me think I should have something. Did I feel deprived? Yeah, a little. But I was able to tell myself that I’ll feel even more deprived if I can’t fit into my summer shorts. And that seemed to be enough to make me go back to my seat and enjoy the company of my friend. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Great job getting back on track. The right mental attitude goes a long way in this journey. You certainly made the right decsion in coming back. After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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As important as it is to learn good eating habits in general for our main meals, non-meal nibbling is my downfall. Reaching for a handful of whatever… for me, that’s the deal breaker when it comes to weight loss. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My challenge lately has been my neighbors house. She always has lots of junk food. I frequently hit her frittos or other chips while I am there. While it might only be a handfull it still adds up plus I don’t like that I can’t seem to resist them. I suspect that I am feeling deprived and this is my way of getting them without having to buy the whole bag myself. Gotta break this habit for sure. Thanks Laura. Weekends have been my most challenging time period. I was able to stay on program all of last weekend and yesterday. Last night I went out for coffee with a friend and was sorely tempted throughout the evening to purchase a desert square or cookie or biscotti or Something. I went through all the reasons I could have something–I have a whole week’s worth of flex points, I could share it with my friend, I Wanted it–and each and every time I was able to remember that I’m trying to fit into my bike clothes and eating a treat, while a momentary pleasure, would ultimately lead to my feeling worse for a lot longer. I wasn’t hungry. I have fruit at home to satisfy my sweet tooth; in fact, I ate a couple of strawberries as soon as I walked in the door. I wasn’t even thinking about food when I got to the place because I’d enjoyed a thoroughly satisfying and interesting meal shortly before going. No, it was just the sight of all those goodies in the case that made me think I should have something. Did I feel deprived? Yeah, a little. But I was able to tell myself that I’ll feel even more deprived if I can’t fit into my summer shorts. And that seemed to be enough to make me go back to my seat and enjoy the company of my friend. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Great job getting back on track. The right mental attitude goes a long way in this journey. You certainly made the right decsion in coming back. After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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Thanks Fred. These days I’m wishing retirement was an option. Rather, I’ve been told again and again that I’m on the executive track. Honestly, I’m not convinced I want that. I’d rather have a life, but it’s so easy for me to get sucked into the demands and drama of the workplace. I will say that present circumstances have me considering counseling to help me sort out how to cope with all of it. I get the schedule for two bicycling clubs, and May is Crazy-Filled with bike rides. There are a couple of Saturdays that have 3 C-Level rides (the level I rode last year) and 2 B-Level rides, all on the same day. Incentive in abundance! Have you been hearing/reading the latest reports in New England Journal of Medicine about the dangers of drinking too much water during endurance sports? It’s been the topic of a very long thread on one of my bicycling club newsgroups. As I’ve read about the symptoms of hyponatremia, I’ve thought about you, especially when you write about the foods you crave post-activity. Apparently, the articles talk about the reduced blood-levels of sodium and potassium, and becoming more dehydrated as a result of drinking water. Here’s one of the responses that made me think about you: "When Mike and I rode across the US in 2000, we recovered noticeably better drinking V-8 juice instead of Gatorade. Maybe it was the sodium? You would think that the sports drink would be better, but apparently not. I also crave Salsa Verde Doritos on long rides and chocolate milk afterwards." USA Track and Field hyponatremia site: http://www.usatf.org/groups/coaches/library/hydration And here’s another bicycling ascii art item. It’s the sig line used by many of the members of one of my bicycling clubs to show it’s a club for everyone.     o          _~o       _~o __o       __o __/_    _-<,_    _-<,_<,_    _-<,_ (_)    O  (_)/ (_)  (_)/   / (_)  (_)/ (_) — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I just want to say that you have full support and sympathy.  I, too, had those "I want to eat that!"  I cannot even attribute it to anything stressful at work although maybe I would like to be retired (G)  They just occur and cannot be ignored without risking clothes not fitting and exercise becoming harder. I wish we could bottle the positive resolve and the reasons the resolve finally grabs hold.  But since we can’t, we just have to mentally bite the bullet and buckle down.  Find other outlets for stress (easy to say).  Winter can be a very dull time with less exercise, less sunlight, especially in the northern latitudes.   Just keep a grip on that new resolve.  Look at those bicycles and those form fitting shorts and get your incentive pumped. You already seem to have taken charge and you clearly know the program.  Use that new kitchen and whip up some perfect meals. Good luck. and …..    __o   -<,  ( )( )  Keep on pedaling. After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year.

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Congratulations on getting back on track before getting too out of control.  I need to take notes on what you’ve said here as I am in a similar situation.  Getting back on track is causing me difficulty at the moment. Brenda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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My challenge lately has been my neighbors house. She always has lots of junk food. I frequently hit her frittos or other chips while I am there. While it might only be a handfull it still adds up plus I don’t like that I can’t seem to resist them. I suspect that I am feeling deprived and this is my way of getting them without having to buy the whole bag myself. Gotta break this habit for sure.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Laura. Weekends have been my most challenging time period. I was able to stay on program all of last weekend and yesterday. Last night I went out for coffee with a friend and was sorely tempted throughout the evening to purchase a desert square or cookie or biscotti or Something. I went through all the reasons I could have something–I have a whole week’s worth of flex points, I could share it with my friend, I Wanted it–and each and every time I was able to remember that I’m trying to fit into my bike clothes and eating a treat, while a momentary pleasure, would ultimately lead to my feeling worse for a lot longer. I wasn’t hungry. I have fruit at home to satisfy my sweet tooth; in fact, I ate a couple of strawberries as soon as I walked in the door. I wasn’t even thinking about food when I got to the place because I’d enjoyed a thoroughly satisfying and interesting meal shortly before going. No, it was just the sight of all those goodies in the case that made me think I should have something. Did I feel deprived? Yeah, a little. But I was able to tell myself that I’ll feel even more deprived if I can’t fit into my summer shorts. And that seemed to be enough to make me go back to my seat and enjoy the company of my friend. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 Great job getting back on track. The right mental attitude goes a long way in this journey. You certainly made the right decsion in coming back. After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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Thanks Brenda. Everyone at their pace in their own time. What motivates you doesn’t motivate me, and vice versa. Maybe you just haven’t found the thing that is more important to you than eating. Being healthy Should be more important–we all know that–but sometimes that’s not reason enough. As for me, I’m taking one day at a time, rehearsing my reasons for wanting to get back to my WW goal weight. Today I’m on Day 9. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Congratulations on getting back on track before getting too out of control.  I need to take notes on what you’ve said here as I am in a similar situation.  Getting back on track is causing me difficulty at the moment. Brenda After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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Thanks Laura. Weekends have been my most challenging time period. I was able to stay on program all of last weekend and yesterday. Last night I went out for coffee with a friend and was sorely tempted throughout the evening to purchase a desert square or cookie or biscotti or Something. I went through all the reasons I could have something–I have a whole week’s worth of flex points, I could share it with my friend, I Wanted it–and each and every time I was able to remember that I’m trying to fit into my bike clothes and eating a treat, while a momentary pleasure, would ultimately lead to my feeling worse for a lot longer. I wasn’t hungry. I have fruit at home to satisfy my sweet tooth; in fact, I ate a couple of strawberries as soon as I walked in the door. I wasn’t even thinking about food when I got to the place because I’d enjoyed a thoroughly satisfying and interesting meal shortly before going. No, it was just the sight of all those goodies in the case that made me think I should have something. Did I feel deprived? Yeah, a little. But I was able to tell myself that I’ll feel even more deprived if I can’t fit into my summer shorts. And that seemed to be enough to make me go back to my seat and enjoy the company of my friend. — Linda P 232/168/145 mini-goal: 165 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Great job getting back on track. The right mental attitude goes a long way in this journey. You certainly made the right decsion in coming back. After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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Great job getting back on track. The right mental attitude goes a long way in this journey. You certainly made the right decsion in coming back.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After weeks, Months, of eating what and when I want to eat, regardless of the effect on the scale, I seem to have gotten my groove back, and I’m now eating for weight loss. I can’t explain what happened that I ceased to care about the correlation between eating large quantities of certain foods and weight gain. It’s as if I needed to prove to myself how quickly I could regain all my weight if I returned to my pre-WW way of eating. Despite my return to program several weeks ago, I knew at the time that I would give it less than my best effort, because deep down, I just didn’t care. Eating what I wanted was simply more important. Work has been very stressful, and I’ve used that as my excuse to overeat and underexercise. As a result, none of the summer clothes I bought last year when I reached my WW goal of 145 fit me this year. All of my size S clothes are staring me in the face, unwearable, and even most of the size Ms have become snug. Last year I was wearing size 6 & 8 clothes; this year I’m in 10s & 12s. Worst of all, none of my bicycling clothes fit. Last Friday, something changed. As I ate my way through X number of pastries after breakfast, and french fries with lunch, and a pint of ice cream and a bag of chips for dinner, I felt myself getting angrier and angrier that I had become so willing to throw away all that hard work of 1-1/2 yrs to lose 87 lbs. By the time I went to bed Friday night, I knew that I had to make a choice. I could continue my out-of-control eating. That would mean I’d weigh more than 200 lbs by next Christmas (if not sooner). I’d be wearing size 20+ clothes. And I’d have to sell my bicycles because I knew I wouldn’t/couldn’t ride them if I was obese. OR I could eat sanely, lose weight and fit into the clothes I already have, and keep my bikes. In that moment of decision, something clicked and I made the connection between my eating and my weight. I cannot eat whatever I want whenever I want and expect to be normal weight. For some reason, the present reality of my bike clothes not fitting and the potential reality of giving up my bikes helped me make that connection. Thankfully, when I woke up Saturday morning, my mind was still clear and my resolve to return to a healthy way of eating and a normal weight had not abated. Sadly, after a week of frenzied eating, the scale showed 176.8. On Sunday, after one day of sane and planned eating, the scale had dropped to 170.6, which I think is a truer reflection of my weight gain since Christmas. Since then, I’ve been weighing and measuring my food and avoiding both sugary and high fat foods. In addition, I’ve managed to go to the gym twice and plan to go again later this morning. Now that the morning temps are averaging well above freezing, I’m planning next week to resume bike commuting. The schedules for club bicycle rides are beginning to fill too and so I hope to do at least one club ride next week. This morning the scale read 168 after a couple of days at 167. Oh well. Today, what’s more important to me than the number on the scale is that my head is on straight. For the first time ever, I know in my bones that nothing tastes as good as thin feels. I hope I can still say that tomorrow and next week and next year. — Linda P 168.2/168/10% goal: 151 mini-goal: 165

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